To Kill an American

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Capt. Pork
Please don't go selling me on the idea of the Party. And don't try to educate me on the concept of immigration.

I don't sell any ideas of the Party. And JFYI my Mother lives in Australia for almost 10 years now.

I am just surprised by uncovered hypocrisy of American official propaganda. "We accept refugees only if this can help us against our enemies". Any immigrant from North Korea or Lybia will have 100 times more chances to be accepted in the US then Russian or Czech.

Pork, the whole article that started this thread is pure, rafinated 100% proof propaganda. Diversity is nothing special compared to other countries like Russia or France. Immigration policy is draconian. Boasting that glorious US helped Afghanis against "evil Soviets" is not even funny, it shows that the author of that leaflet doesn't have good relations with his own mind.

Look, USSR helped to protect Vietnam from agressors. Vietnam is a powerfull and peacefull state now, it won a war with Maoist China and liberated Cambodia from Pol Pot. US helped Moslim fundamentalists to fight legitimate government in Afghanistan: look what goes on in Afghanistan now. See any difference?

All the rest is ordinary propaganda blah-blah including mentioning Hitler, Stalin and Mao. I bet 99% of the people to whom this letter is adressed don't know who was Tojo.

Conclusion: total vaue of this leaflet for a literate person is nonexistant. Sorry. Same crap as idiotic Soviet happy pathetic memorandums issued and repeated on every holiday. I can write such stuff for USSR or Russia in enormous quantities without employing my brain at all, and the saddest thing is that there will be quite a lot of people who'll take this mental diarrhea seriously

Why are you so offended by Lada's posts? I think it's only because his personal experience blows your bubble of happy ignorance. I didn't think that brainwashing went that deep

Sorry everyone.

[Capt. Pork]

Originally posted by Boroda

Why are you so offended by Lada's posts? I think it's only because his personal experience blows your bubble of happy ignorance. I didn't think that brainwashing went that deep

Sorry everyone.

Actually, Lada's posts made no sense at all. His questions were stupid and his willingness to see anybody's explanation at all was nonexistant. He's an incoherent moron. My experience with immigration, and that of my family's(all 50 or so of us) is far, far more profound than anything that little insect has presented here.

Personally, I thought you were beyond quoting him.

As for my brainwashing. If that's what you call the life I lead right now, then, my dear beard, I invite you to keep your impovrished enlightenment all to yourself.

Personally, I think you're just pining for a past that's never to return. The situation in your country will not improve significantly for at least another generation, and it sucks. It isn't, however, my problem anymore.

[Curval]

Lada, if you think immigration "issues" are endemic to the USA check this out:

I was born in Bermuda to a local father and a Canadian mother.  When I was 5 years old the immigration laws at the time were such that I merely had to pledge loyalty to Canada at the consulate and I became a Canadian citizen.

Great stuff.

So...at 21 I travel to Canada to join their armed forces.  But..in order to prove I was a Canadian I had to produce a "citizenship" card.  Being that I had moved a whole bunch of times and that 16 years had passed since that first card was issued I couldn't find it.

I arrived in Toronto and on day 2 went to the immigration department to get a replacement card.

6 months later I received it in the mail.  I was unable to work during those 6 months and lived with some distant cousins who fed me as well.  I had to deal with numerous government idiots and sit around all kinds of government departments for hours at a time over the next few weeks.

Also during those 6 months a boat-load of Sheiks were dicovered floating in the Atlantic a couple of hundred miles offshore.  The day after they landed on Canadian soil they had been granted immigrant staus, provided with housing, food and cash for clothes.  Soon afterwards they became Canadians and were able to work etc. and enjoy all of Canada's socialist benefits.

Not so for me.

My cousin laughed and said he should take me down to Lake Ontario and put me in a Canadian Tire rubber raft and float me out into the Lake.  He said he'd call the Coast Guard and get me picked up.  That way I'd get my card faster.

Should I hate Canada for that, or just shake my head and mumble "typical governemnt red-tape nonesense."

I chose the latter.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Capt. Pork
As for my brainwashing. If that's what you call the life I lead right now, then, my dear beard, I invite you to keep your impovrished enlightenment all to yourself.

Pork, I say it's propaganda because it's not true and it's aimed at uneducated people so they'll believe it to help a certain government/power to reach it's goals. It sounds exactly as Soviet-time propaganda that noone believed (I mean people from the circles that I was familiar with).

I want you to understand that I am not hostile, just pointing on some issues that are clear from my (or Lada's) critical point of view.

I quote Lada because he, unlike me, had personal experience with the US consulate.

Originally posted by Capt. Pork

Personally, I think you're just pining for a past that's never to return. The situation in your country will not improve significantly for at least another generation, and it sucks. It isn't, however, my problem anymore.

What do you mean by "pining"? http://www.lingvo.ru gives only one definition of verb "to pin" that I find suitable: "lovit' na slove".

I hope you see that I stay here, and I personally never applied for American visa (in 1989 it was all done for us without our direct involvement). I am going to visit my Mother in Australia, but I don't think I will go there for permanent residence.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Curval
The day after they landed on Canadian soil they had been granted immigrant staus,

I bet you 10 kajillion dollars they were granted refugee status, not immigrant status.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Curval
Should I hate Canada for that, or just shake my head and mumble "typical governemnt red-tape nonesense."

I chose the latter.

I understand you. Russia has immigration issues maybe even worse then Canada or the US - we have no border with Commonwealth countries, so millions of people from former USSR come here to earn money. New Russian immigration and citizenship laws are pretty strict, and I find it rational on one hand and unfair one the other. A Soviet officer who's native language is Russian and who served for 30 years must get citizenship immediately after he moves from some Central-Asian republic or so-called Baltic states. I believe that every person who's native language is Russian should get Russian citizenship without all that "permanent residence for 5 years" crap. As far as I know this is the way it is in the Ukraine. Ukraine looks much more civilised and tolerant in visa policy then Russia.

[Curval]

Originally posted by Thrawn
I bet you 10 kajillion dollars they were granted refugee status, not immigrant status.

Probably.  Regardless, they sure jumped in front of me as far as benefits went...and I was already a Canadian.

My point isn't to bash Canada, it was to show Lada that immigration issues are everywhere, not just the US.

I could write a bunch of stuff about immigration here too....but they aren't personal experiences.

[Thrawn]

Gotcha....where's my 10 kajillion dollars?

[Curval]

I didn't bet...I conceded.

[Thrawn]

Curses!

[Capt. Pork]

Originally posted by Boroda
I want you to understand that I am not hostile, just pointing on some issues that are clear from my (or Lada's) critical point of view.

I know you are not hostile. You're actually quite patient. And as I've mentioned, I'm aware of that the situation in regards to immigration are not what they're cracked up to be. Nothing is as easy as it seems, and you choice to stay is yours, and cannot be critisized.

My only point was that difficult or not, immigration was well worth everything we had to go through, and then some. We are not alone, by a long shot. As much as the US screws up when it comes to immigration, I think that overall, it's done more right than wrong.

Lada, as I've said before, is incoherent. He usually misses the point, he translates expressions and metaphors word for word and refuses to listen.

At the very least I can comprehend you.

When you pine, you feel a lingering desire for something that either never was or at one point was and will never be again.

[lada]

Originally posted by Curval
Lada, if you think immigration "issues" are endemic to the USA check this out:

I was born in Bermuda to a local father and a Canadian mother.  When I was 5 years old the immigration laws at the time were such that I merely had to pledge loyalty to Canada at the consulate and I became a Canadian citizen.

Great stuff.

So...at 21 I travel to Canada to join their armed forces.  But..in order to prove I was a Canadian I had to produce a "citizenship" card.  Being that I had moved a whole bunch of times and that 16 years had passed since that first card was issued I couldn't find it.

I arrived in Toronto and on day 2 went to the immigration department to get a replacement card.

6 months later I received it in the mail.  I was unable to work during those 6 months and lived with some distant cousins who fed me as well.  I had to deal with numerous government idiots and sit around all kinds of government departments for hours at a time over the next few weeks.

Also during those 6 months a boat-load of Sheiks were dicovered floating in the Atlantic a couple of hundred miles offshore.  The day after they landed on Canadian soil they had been granted immigrant staus, provided with housing, food and cash for clothes.  Soon afterwards they became Canadians and were able to work etc. and enjoy all of Canada's socialist benefits.

Not so for me.

My cousin laughed and said he should take me down to Lake Ontario and put me in a Canadian Tire rubber raft and float me out into the Lake.  He said he'd call the Coast Guard and get me picked up.  That way I'd get my card faster.

Should I hate Canada for that, or just shake my head and mumble "typical governemnt red-tape nonesense."

I chose the latter.

Yup its not nothing new that canadian do not welcome imigrants that fast. However canada do not claim themself to be most cosmopolitan country of the world.  And you will hardly hear, that German are Canadian or however it were...


Thanks for story.

[lada]

Originally posted by cpxxx
Ok Lada here's how it works from a non American. I'm Irish. I was born in Ireland and I can trace my family name name back to about 1014. That's the year not this morning. I have some English blood in me too. I could be called anglo Irish but that is not the tradition. My heritage is Irish going back a long way.  If I went to America to live.  I would become an American citizen but still be Irish.  I would take pride in being American but that could be taken away at any time.  Nothing can take away the fact that I'm Irish.

In America it is the tradition to retain a connection to your origins.  Everybody needs a community. It is still possible to live in America and not speak English because many immigrants live with their own nationalities.

Everybody likes to know where they came from and who they are and Americans do that by remembering their origins while thanking God they were born in America.

So basicaly when somebody ask you, who are you ? or where are you from ?

Do you answer ... " Im american irish " ??

IMO you are irish imigrant who left to US. If you got US's nationality, you are US citizen who came from  Irish.

I know very well what you mean. however i dont thing so, that formulation. American is German, italian, Spanish makes any sense.

[lada]

Originally posted by Habu

Can you do that in the Soviet Union?

huh .... where is Soviet Union located, i trough its gone for several years .... may be  one decade ?

[Capt. Pork]

Originally posted by lada
huh .... where is Soviet Union located, i trough its gona for several years .... may be  one decade ?

I just realized Lada is Belle.