Ground Zero

[DipStick]

Originally posted by Fruda
China definately wouldn't strike, even if they had a better military at the time (Here's looking at you, Japan, circa 1941). The Chinese aren't stupid.

Better look again. China already has a 2 million man army among other things...

[Arlo]

Originally posted by DipStick
Better look again. China already has a 2 million man army among other things...

What're they gonna do with it if we leave it there? March it to L.A.?

[demaw1]

Tronsky re:   nuclear use

   How can conventional weapons get close to said country? Any invasion would be meet with  1 mushroom cloud and in 1 sec.you would have no conventional weapons ,what would you as president do then.Unless it could be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt they had no more nukes;the first use of nukes changes everything. Using bows and arrows againt gatling gun would be a recipe for total defeat.

  Once a nuclear weapon is used all treaties will be null and void.
  The more time wasted is more time for the arabs to gain confidence in allahs will.
 This would not be just a attack ah la Iraqi style,but you would have to have a strong deterrant against several present nuclear powers . 4 times I know of this year China officals have said war with  America is inevitable sooner than later. What part of inevitable dont all of you understand? It is not a matter of stupid it is a matter of opportunity and the willingness to lose a billion people.
   


  If America was strong in her resolve their would be no ww3,If America was decisve Isreal would follow our lead.But if weakness creapt in anywhere yes that would be a disaster.
  Tronsky I do understand where you are coming from,thank you and the others for a reasoned debate.
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[X2Lee]

Originally posted by demaw1
4 times I know of this year China officals have said war with  America is inevitable sooner than later. .

Sources?

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
Nuke the crap out of them.  Turn it into a wasteland as a lesson to the rest of the cameljockeys.

Jesus was a cameljockey and Andre the Giant was French.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Jesus was a cameljockey and Andre the Giant was French.

Don't worry .... they're clear of the blast radius now.

[SFRT - Frenchy]

I would invade France to set an example.

[hawker238]

Originally posted by TweetyBird
#1

>>does killing 200000 more give you some pleasure? <<

No, but it imediately destroys the infrastructure of the offending country. The number one duty of the U.S. is to protect it's sovereinty. Getting the aproval of the rest of the world is a very distant second.

No way to protect its citizens like turning the entire world against it.  Just as long as one country is down though, I guess that solves everything.

[gunnss]

Originally posted by DipStick

Beret is the wrong color

Gunns

[demaw1]

x2lee   re: sources


   In my job I do a lot of driving , a lot of news I hear comes from the radio, all news station knxt, was one source. kfi was another and kabc was another....I am 90 percent sure I read it in the o.c. register dont know what mo. for the register,been a while. btw I am remembering now one of the ministers of china told America somethig like ..I would be more worried about Los Angeles than..... I do not remember what the [then] was.

[gunnss]

I have read through the thread, and have noticed that the Idea of a "Nuke" is emotionaly charged beyond its reality, Nukes are just big poision bangs, our FAEs are allrady more powerfull than what we used on Japan, and any expolsion is not all powerfull.  A long time ago a man said "You dont own it till you stand on it." and lobbing explosives wont do it.  if you want it permenent, Dust em, powdered plutonium and St90 will make the place absolutly un inhabitable for years if not centurys, as an allternetitive, go in and buy them out culturally, barbie dolls and rap, with a mix of hard core propaganda , using the ever present friction between children and parents and destroy the local culture.  Remove them as an Identity and replace them with something more attractive, look at what China did to the Mongols, at what the OstroGoths did to the Iberians, and what Rome did to Carthage.  Externally imposed culturall modification has happened before and can happen again, sap thier resolve, discredit thier leadership, hand them another view of the rest of the world, and destroy them as a meaningfull part of the world.  

Gunns

[Fruda]

If China decides to attack, they really won't do much damage. We have far greater technology, and our industrial capacity is second to none.

China is finally industrializing, however, the fact remains: China has over 800,000,000 people who are peasant-class. Their economy is still in shambles for the most part, and they really don't have much in the way of infrastructure (though cities like Shanghai and Beijing are improving).

Our military isn't as large, but we have many more weapons, our air force is superior to any other in the world (China still uses MiGs), and we have a navy that China couldn't even hope to out-class.

The Chinese government may want a war, but the Chinese people don't, and I am sure of this. Remember, they are still oppressive Communists.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by gunnss
as an allternetitive, go in and buy them out culturally, barbie dolls and rap, with a mix of hard core propaganda , using the ever present friction between children and parents and destroy the local culture.  

Nein mein fur ... errrr .... no way. Smothering the enemy with Barbies CANNOT take the effective place of MADII!

[anonymous]

Originally posted by Shuckins
Three years ago you were elected President of the United States.  During that time the activities of terrorist organizations have slackened considerably, allowing national intelligence agencies a much needed respite.  American citizens have breathed a collective sigh of relief, and have begun to wind down from the frightened, frantic days of post 9/11.

At 10 a.m. on the morning of June 17, 2007, a freighter docking in New York harbor disappears in a nuclear blast.  The device is small and dirty.  At least 200,000 are killed outright, with hundreds of thousands more doomed to die a slow, lingering death.

In the weeks and months that follow, CIA and foreign intelligence sources attempt to backtrack the movement of the nuclear weapon and the terrorists who delivered it.  Incontrovertable evidence is gathered that the terrorists were given the weapon, and other aid as well, by a Middle-Eastern nation with a well-known hatred of the U.S.  Further, this nation assisted the terrorists in developing the plan for evading U.S. security and delivering the weapon to its' target.

As President of the United States, you must decide upon a course of action.  What do you do?  Two courses of action are suggested by the Joint Chiefs of Staff for consideration by you and the Cabinet:

1.  Retaliate in kind.  Level the capital city of the guilty nation as a warning that no one gets a free shot at our people, whether that nation has nuclear weapons or not.  Critics state that this policy is ill-advised because it stems from a desire for revenge, and the consequences of such action have not been taken into consideration.

2.  Reply with conventional weapons and attempt an invasion to overthrow the offending government.  The Joint Chiefs developed this alternative at your request, but do not favor it because they feel the invasion of a nation with nuclear weapons is fraught with unprecedented peril for the troops involved.

What course of action should you take?

conventional. whats the point of vaporizing a bunch of women and kids who had no say in the decision. that and the joint chiefs comment wouldnt apply. unless someone had icmb fields like russia we could shut down their ability to deploy even a tactical nuke through other means.

[demaw1]

just a reply

 the point anonymous is simple...[forgive me i am going to be a little stronger this time]..how can you possibly send conventional weapons against nukes. why is that concept so hard to understand. If you sent 200000 of our military in youare  going to lose 150000 can you deal with that. Their woman and kids are not innocent, as that philisopy is ingrained in them. Also we must not allow any country to get away with nuking us even if we could take them out conventionaly,because we must show everyone the price paid  for using a nuclear weapon OR ELSE SOMEONE WILL DO IT AGAIN.

  I thought I had a reasoned response to this, guess the world doesn think so ,oh well, but how easy it seems to be you all dismiss the 200000 killed in new york.You see I am just an old fashion fool, I feel if an American is killed in this way It is the same as if my mom/dad/wife/ son /daughter were killed.
  p.s. you all and you etc. is just generic .