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« Reply #60 on: July 30, 2004, 12:13:03 PM »
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Differential-GPS is pretty good and with computerized "autopilot" I don't think there needs to be anyone turning the vehicle around at the end of the field.



For whatever reason, the "turnaround" part is still manual. I'm sure it will be there eventually though.

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« Reply #61 on: July 30, 2004, 12:17:51 PM »
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So if in US someone hires a illegal border-crosser he/she won't be sued? What does IRS say? Are they paying taxes from their income?

There is almost no enforcement of immigration laws here.   Once an alien sneaks in, he has almost the entire country to pick from for work, if work is what he wants.

They can even send their kids to public schools.  If an illegal immigrant gives birth here, she and her child are automatic citizens.  Local police are often not allowed to report the presence of illegal aliens in their juridictions because it may cause illegal immigrants to fear the police and thus become easy targets for thugs.

Illegal immigrants often work in construction, landscaping, housekeeping, farming, and even some factory jobs.  And yes that depresses the wages for those jobs.  There is no interest at the Washington level to do anything about this, and at the state level there is no power to do anything about it.

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« Reply #62 on: July 30, 2004, 12:39:36 PM »
Boy you're in deep...


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« Reply #63 on: July 30, 2004, 12:50:24 PM »
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What's geek ?

I have no idea what you're talking about.

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« Reply #64 on: July 30, 2004, 01:00:43 PM »
Neither do I; dunno where that came from.

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« Reply #65 on: July 30, 2004, 01:34:12 PM »
ramzey... sorry, I don't6 undertstand you r point.

Are you saying that we should allow everyone to come to America to work so long as they are willing to do it in the hot sun for 5 bucks an hour?   or... are you saying that I have no right to stop people from coming here if I have never worked in the hot sun for 5 bucks an hour?

I worked construction in the hot sun when I was a kid for a buck fifty an hour and it was harder than picking veggies.  so... I say no to illegal immigration.

Now... my point remains... you must have some standards... do you want know criminals to be able to cross the border?   child molesters?   People with no chance of making the average income?  

What would you propose the standards be?    

It doesn't really matter.  We have standards now and we need to enforce them... killing illegals should be done only in defense.

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« Reply #66 on: July 30, 2004, 04:03:59 PM »
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I worked construction in the hot sun when I was a kid for a buck fifty an hour and it was harder than picking veggies.  so... I say no to illegal immigration.
 


My summer job, when I wasn't working in my fathers garage, was hauling hay for about .25 per bale.  You also had to split the money at least three ways at the end of the day.  No idea what that works out to per hour, but I can testify that when you're 15 it's not easy tossing bales of hay over your head all day long.  It was a lot of fun at times though.

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« Reply #67 on: August 01, 2004, 12:21:34 PM »
Bonilla demands review of OTM release policy

By Karen Gleason
The News-Herald

Published July 31, 2004

Releasing undocumented immigrants to roam freely in the U.S. is "a terrible policy," U.S. Rep. Henry Bonilla told Del Rio and Eagle Pass leaders during a press conference in Del Rio Friday, and announced he is asking the Department of Homeland Security to take a hard look at the issue.

"If these people were being released in your neighborhood I am sure you would be outraged. This is happening in the communities I represent and I am outraged," Bonilla said in a letter Thursday to Department of Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge. Bonilla released copies of the letter during his press conference Friday.

More than 5,200 illegal immigrants from countries other than Mexico (often referred to as OTMs) have been processed in the Del Rio Sector of the U.S. Border Patrol since January 2004, Bonilla said. Of that number more than 4,400 - about 85 percent - have been subsequently released in the Del Rio Sector.

Bonilla said a total of 15,000 such undocumented immigrants have been released in Texas since the beginning of the year.

Both Del Rio and Eagle Pass are in the Del Rio Sector, as are Abilene, Brackettville, Carrizo Springs, Comstock, Rocksprings, San Angelo and Uvalde.

During the press conference, Bonilla also released a series of photographs, some of them taken in Eagle Pass, he had titled "Free Ticket to America." The series of five photographs depict undocumented immigrants crossing the border and being arrested by Border Patrol agents, then receiving their "walking papers," leaving the detention center and "entering a community near you."

Bonilla said cities like Del Rio and Eagle Pass are at the forefront of the Department of Homeland Security's "Capture and Release" program. Once undocumented OTM immigrants are detained and processed, each is given what Bonilla called "Own Recognizance" or "OR" papers, which give the immigrant the right to stay in the United States until their immigration court hearing.

"It is estimated that more than 85 percent of illegal immigrants released do not return for the scheduled court date," Bonilla said.

The congressman charged that "many illegal immigrants are freely giving themselves up to the Border Patrol and in some cases, seeking out agents so they can receive the OR papers to legally enter the United States."

Bonilla also charged that the OTM release program represents a threat to U.S. security. "Terrorists can take advantage of this policy by posing as a person of South American descent and easily enter the United States," he said.

Bonilla also invited several Del Rio and Eagle Pass community leaders to address the media about the release of OTMs. Those leaders included Del Rio Mayor Dora G. Alcal‡, Eagle Pass Mayor Chad Foster and Val Verde County Sheriff A. D'Wayne Jernigan.

Alcal‡ praised Bonilla's efforts last year to end the "lateral repatriation" of Mexican immigrants caught along the Arizona-Mexico border through Del Rio and into Ciudad Acu–a, Coah., Mexico.

Alcal‡ also called attention to the humanitarian aspect of the OTM releases. She said a group of Brazilian immigrants released in Del Rio several weeks ago could not speak English or Spanish "and none of us could speak Portuguese."

Jernigan, who originally raised the hue and cry about the releases of the immigrants in September 2003, said the issue is one of both national and community security. He recounted to Bonilla the fear several downtown merchants expressed to him when groups of the Brazilian immigrant tried to cash checks without identification in their places of business. "One business actually closed out of fear," Jernigan said.

The sheriff also introduced Val Verde County Judge Mike L. Fernandez, who read a resolution passed by Val Verde County Commissioners Court earlier this year, calling on the Department of Homeland Security to end the OTM releases.



I started this thread, was trying to figure out just where I wanted to go with this.  I have been a little frustrated with this issure lately.  I am at the Eagle Pass, Border Patrol Station.  I did a quick check on our numbers for July and we had 1006 OTMs apprehended here, almost all of them released into the community.  I interviewed one today during processing.  He stated he travelled north through Mexico by train.  I asked if there were others from Central America coming north on the train with him.  He said "one thousand, maybe more".  

WE ARE BEING INVADED.  Wake up!

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« Reply #68 on: August 01, 2004, 12:27:07 PM »
and you have job catching them  and send back, is better for you be lay off from work when they stop crossing border?
then you will go to pick up melons for 5$ /h?:-)
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« Reply #69 on: August 01, 2004, 01:01:27 PM »
Is that a lame attempt to slam me there Ramzey?  I couldnt tell.  To be honest with you, I love my job.  I would not want to do anything else.  Does frustration raise its ugly head now and then?  I say yes.

The truth is there are a lot of people coming here to try and better themselves and their families.  I dont fault them on that.  I do fault them by trying to do so in an illegal manner while others patiently wait while going through the proper immigration process.  I enjoy catching those that came here to better themselves who got caught up in the criminal element while here.  The wife beaters, murderers, drunk drivers and thieves...most of all the sex offenders...especially the child molesters.  Talk about making my day.  Yeah and dont forget about the "mara salvatrucha" gang members from El Salvador.  They make it so easy to be identified with all their tatoos.

Now one might say that I am cold and cruel hearted to those poor people.  That same person was not their when I shared my lunch and last taste of water on the hot California desert floor.  Or, he wasnt there when I held the hand of an injured illegal alien woman thrown from the overpacked vehicle wrecklessly driven by an illegal alien smuggler driving lights out on back roads.  Or, reuniting the 4 year old with her parents several hours after their group of 30 is jumped in the desert night.  The parents fled as fast as they could, leaving their child behind.  ( I would never leave my child behind like that). I could go on.

And one parting thought, I did pick my share of melons when I was younger, I know what it is like.

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« Reply #70 on: August 02, 2004, 10:35:26 AM »
elc is correct... if it is illegal then it is... illegal and should be stopped.  It should not be enforced in an unfair, sproadic and uneven way like deporting a widow in oregon and letting fellonous illegals go in Texas.

ramzey... Have you ever worked in the hot sun for any amount of money?  Or did id just sound like a good thing to say to you?  It would seem that most of us who abhor illegal aliens have worked hard in the sun at one time or another.

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« Reply #71 on: August 03, 2004, 02:48:20 AM »
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Is that a lame attempt to slam me there Ramzey?  I couldnt tell.  To be honest with you, I love my job.  I would not want to do anything else.  Does frustration raise its ugly head now and then?  I say yes.

The truth is there are a lot of people coming here to try and better themselves and their families.  I dont fault them on that.  I do fault them by trying to do so in an illegal manner while others patiently wait while going through the proper immigration process.  I enjoy catching those that came here to better themselves who got caught up in the criminal element while here.  The wife beaters, murderers, drunk drivers and thieves...most of all the sex offenders...especially the child molesters.  Talk about making my day.  Yeah and dont forget about the "mara salvatrucha" gang members from El Salvador.  They make it so easy to be identified with all their tatoos.

Now one might say that I am cold and cruel hearted to those poor people.  That same person was not their when I shared my lunch and last taste of water on the hot California desert floor.  Or, he wasnt there when I held the hand of an injured illegal alien woman thrown from the overpacked vehicle wrecklessly driven by an illegal alien smuggler driving lights out on back roads.  Or, reuniting the 4 year old with her parents several hours after their group of 30 is jumped in the desert night.  The parents fled as fast as they could, leaving their child behind.  ( I would never leave my child behind like that). I could go on.

And one parting thought, I did pick my share of melons when I was younger, I know what it is like.


im glad you enjoy your work and do your duty with sucrifice
im glad you stop real criminals
but remember as you wrote most of those people come here for food and better future. U.S gov not give them chances for legal way, so dont balme them for walking other way.
If you dont have for food, dont expect them to spend 1000$ for legal way wichone is a blinde corner for them anyway.
If you will live in same situation , you will try to do something with your life, legal or not. Is that not american spirit?
Im sure this one who pick up melons are good people not criminals. Criminals can earn money in other way and not get swet on sun. If thos peoples work hard, they stay away from troubles with police beucose noone of them like to go back. And broke any low rules  wil not help them to stay here. So i can say except work and sleep they have not much from life.

All thos examples you wrote here can be quoted from any other country, border patrol report.

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« Reply #72 on: August 03, 2004, 02:59:25 AM »
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elc is correct... if it is illegal then it is... illegal and should be stopped.  It should not be enforced in an unfair, sproadic and uneven way like deporting a widow in oregon and letting fellonous illegals go in Texas.


but minefield, concentration camps, death penality is not best way to show humanity

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ramzey... Have you ever worked in the hot sun for any amount of money?  Or did id just sound like a good thing to say to you?  It would seem that most of us who abhor illegal aliens have worked hard in the sun at one time or another.

lazs


Lazs my first work in CA was diging trench using showel, during indian summer.
is that sweat enough?

When my ouncle die i was care about his farm  (i was 15 or 16).
I drive tractor, work in full sun on  the field, load and unload seeds, wegetables, ............ alone, by my own hands couple times a day by 2 months. I did not work for money, but to help my family.
My first real job( for regural payrol) in age 19, during vacations.
I was one of workers maintain roads, building bus station ( they are looks diferent in europe , on country side, its not just plate with B ;-) ). Building bridges, paint bridges, making bricks ....
Payrol was about 50$ per month, for first money i brough denim  jeans pants, shirt and was piss off aboyt spending all my money in 10 min. Is that small amounth enough?



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« Reply #73 on: August 03, 2004, 05:34:46 AM »
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I think immigrants are what make this country strong.  

Illegal immigrants are essentially cutting in line in front of the people who have made various sacrifices to immigrate legally, and it's just not right.


  Perfectly said.  I agree completely.  Legal immigrants, like my maternal grandparents from Spain, busted their butts to become citizens.  My mother doesn't even speak Spanish because my grandfather wouldn't allow it to be spoken in the house, he was so proud of becoming a U.S. citizen.

  Having said that, the current immigration laws, particlarly the quotas, are the product of early 20th century fears and racism.  Each new group arriving faced the racism of the group which preceeded them.  The Irish, then the eastern European Jews, then the Puerto Ricans, etc.  The racism and irrational fears culminated in the draconian immigration quotas passed in the 1920's and 1930's, mostly fueled by fears of European anarchists and communists.   I think they probably went a little too far, making the statue of liberty a bit of a hollow icon for later immigrants.

   I definitely support a loosening of the immigration restrictions, to more reasonable levels than the current ones. But illegal immigrants shouldn't just be given blanket amnesty.  Illegal is still illegal.

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« Reply #74 on: August 03, 2004, 12:34:43 PM »
ram... I met you.  you seem white enough to me so am I..  We both worked in the sun.   It's not that kids "won't" its that they don't have to.

None of it matters in any case.   The days of intense labor for farming are about at an end.

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