Aces HIgh II: 1st Camp After Action Report

[RTR]

Ratnick you beat me to the crux of this whole thing.

They are just numbers, and can't reflect talent. there are too many variables.

This whole thread is pointless in fact.

      It is without a point.

      It is not pointy at all.

      It is rounded at the end.

      The ends of the thread converge rather bluntly.

      The ends of the thread do not meet at a sharp angle.

      It is in fact, A NON POINTY THREAD!

We now return you to your regularly scheduled BBS bashing.

RTR

[RedTop]

Numbers mean squat.

Numbers mean nothing.

Numbers are just things to manipulate to make your argument valid.

It is...exactly as Rat and RTR said...Not Pointy. To many variables.

BUTTTTTTTTTT........Zazen.... .I know you will NOT want to be told that there is the slightest chance that they may possibly have a point. SOOOOOOOOO........I wont say it.

I'll just simply know that.....

The ROOKS (who I flew with for a month) are in your mind the baddest of the bad....They are the Best of the Best.

THEY ARE TRULY ...AcesHigh Gods.

The Knights and Bishes are mere pieces of slag to be spat upon by the all supieror pilot skills of the all mighty rooks.

As a matter a fact....Why in the world do we Knights and Bishes even bother to up a plane. WHy do we give any effort what so ever to trying to match the AWSOME display of flying prowess of those mighty ROOK aces. Those Aces that are in the middle of those other 5 or 6 rooks. The ones that rack up those simply amazing numbers of kills by flying at 25k like the mighty Eagle. Searching below for its un-suspecting prey that is trying to get a kill.

It's because we are inferior to you ROOK aces. We knights and Bishes are polywogs. We are nothing.

I am truly sorry...and may I speak for most of the knights here when I say...TRULY SORRY that we infest your AREA and Arena with our sorry choice of planes..Dweebiness..and pure lack of skill.

[RTR]

Okay..here is the truth ...finally.

Had to go back a few hundred threads to find it, but it explains everything.

It's cut'n paste rather than drag up the whole thread.

Why I am a Bishop
Wish I could say that I am a bishop by choice, but that wouldn't really be true. The true reason requires a bit of a lecture in RTR's theories of evolution
Now back in the old days (say roughly 40,000 years ago) there were 2 fairly dominant species of hominid. The Neanderthal being the more unfortunate of the two. Now Neanderthals were very close to Homo Sapiens Sapiens genetically, and it is entirely possible that there was some cross breeding going on there. (although many anthropologists will argue against, many will argue for). However, eventually Neanderthal was to die out and all remnants of his/her genetics have long since dissappeared.
Which brings me to the real point here.
We have in our midst a very close relative. The Chimpanzee (only one chromosome difference folks). Now, it only makes sense that somewhere along the line during a drunken spree, something terrible happened.
So...I am not pointing fingers here, but these phrases "altitude monkey", "ACK monkey" etc must have had an origin.
Now, with all this "evidence", and the fact that I have never met a Bishop who had scabs on his/her knuckles, or whose toes curled inwards, or who complained of a bad case of "monkey butt" after a night of debauchery, I must conclude through "sound reasoning" that Knits and Rooks have a bit of Chimp in'em.
So you see folks, its not a matter of what I want to be, its a matter of being what I have to be, (what I can only be), because of genetics.
Somedays I really wish I could be a Knit or Rook ( I really do like bananas), but alas, it was just never meant to be.

Cheers  
RTR
"sometimes, to get the desired result, you have to poke'em with a stick."

[Cobra412]

This whole side bashing is frankly getting old.  I've been on both Bish and Rooks so far in my little over a year of playing both seem the same to an extent.  

For starters the whole numbers issue is a complete joke.  Even when I was a Bish we would fly in hordes.  Didn't matter if it was a horde flying to a Rook base or horde flying to Knight base.  We still flew in mass numbers overwhelming the base.  It also depended on what day or time of day it was as to whether or not we had the numbers.  Early in the evening the Bish always had equal or higher numbers than both sides.  Sometimes we'd have atleast twice as many numbers against a particular country.  During late night hours it would go even or in favor of the Bish again. Biggest thing I've noticed is that Bish had a tendency to waste resources when they really didn't have any to waste.  Opposed to doing alot of harrassment tactics in alot areas and hammer specific targets in another like the other two sides seem to do.

The Rooks do have numbers when it comes to the weekend.  What rock they are crawling out from under I have no clue but they do come and come out in force. I honestly wouldn't know about the flying in massive packs on Rooks cause I have yet to have to do that.  I've got my squad mates to fly with and they are all I need to have around.  One major thing I've noticed is the squads on the Rook side stick together all the time and they constantly fly wingmen tactics.  The squads will fly in packs starting at around 2 to 12 pilots.  If that is considered flying with a horde then I'm guilty.

With my squad though we don't go looking for the massive horde going to a base.  We actually do the opposite.  We go to an area where there is large red dar bar and very little green around.  Means less fighting for food that way.  Which in the end does mean we will be outnumbered and very possibly overwhelmed by enemy cons.  

I have flown with alot of good pilots on both Bish and Rooks and I'd have to say it's not necessarily that they have less talent but they don't always use that talent to their advantage.  I've also fought against many good pilots on Knights so I wouldn't disregard them as being mediocre by any means.  I can't say that one side or the other has better pilots just that IMO some sides don't use their experience and talents to their advantage.

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by RedTop

It's because we are inferior to you ROOK aces. We knights and Bishes are polywogs. We are nothing.

 

 

dangit, I ain't no polywog, I am a certified BLue Nose and a certified Shellback!

phewfffff polywog........phewfffff

[Overlag]

its a bit hard to kill a rook when they are La7's or niks at 30k.............

yay skill, id rather fight against knights anyday, at least they are fair, and still good pilots at that

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Overlag
its a bit hard to kill a rook when they are La7's or niks at 30k.............

yay skill, id rather fight against knights anyday, at least they are fair, and still good pilots at that

Fair?!? What does fair have to do with anything? Life isn't fair, war isn't fair, even simulated war isn't fair! If you want fair go to DA, meet in same plane against one guy at 5k and yank and bank until the pain from the carpal tunnel syndrome forces you into a wrist splint. If you want simulated warfare, fly the MA, where there is no fair, just the killers and those....re-planing.

Zazen

[Overlag]

Originally posted by Zazen13
Fair?!? What does fair have to do with anything? Life isn't fair, war isn't fair, even simulated war isn't fair! If you want fair go to DA, meet in same plane against one guy at 5k and yank and bank until the pain from the carpal tunnel syndrome forces you into a wrist splint. If you want simulated warfare, fly the MA, where there is no fair, just the killers and those....re-planing.

Zazen

anyway, if you want to go by numbers...how about mine? what squad has been top for the last 4-5tours? and what side has it come from?

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by RedTop
200 pilots vs. 100 pilots will make the 200 look better everytime.

Rooks have numbers , will continue to have numbers , and both Bish and Knights don't.

Skew it all you want. But the side with the most will always look better.

AGREED WHOLEHEARTEDLY

Only you put it much more politely Then I was gonna

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by RedTop
Numbers mean squat.

Numbers mean nothing.

Numbers are just things to manipulate to make your argument valid.

It is...exactly as Rat and RTR said...Not Pointy. To many variables.

BUTTTTTTTTTT........Zazen.... .I know you will NOT want to be told that there is the slightest chance that they may possibly have a point. SOOOOOOOOO........I wont say it.

I'll just simply know that.....

The ROOKS (who I flew with for a month) are in your mind the baddest of the bad....They are the Best of the Best.

THEY ARE TRULY ...AcesHigh Gods.

The Knights and Bishes are mere pieces of slag to be spat upon by the all supieror pilot skills of the all mighty rooks.

As a matter a fact....Why in the world do we Knights and Bishes even bother to up a plane. WHy do we give any effort what so ever to trying to match the AWSOME display of flying prowess of those mighty ROOK aces. Those Aces that are in the middle of those other 5 or 6 rooks. The ones that rack up those simply amazing numbers of kills by flying at 25k like the mighty Eagle. Searching below for its un-suspecting prey that is trying to get a kill.

It's because we are inferior to you ROOK aces. We knights and Bishes are polywogs. We are nothing.

I am truly sorry...and may I speak for most of the knights here when I say...TRULY SORRY that we infest your AREA and Arena with our sorry choice of planes..Dweebiness..and pure lack of skill.

That was a funny read. Thank-You.

Numbers are a bread crumb trail, they are like archaelogical evidence. Like archaelogical evidence, they are not the living reality, but the footprint of a life lived. These threads are not here to force my own personal conclusions on anyone. These threads are here merely to present the data and invite discussions as to the cause and effect relationships that caused these statistical trends.

Alot has been made of the numerical disparities in the MA. People are using arena numbers figures as a reason for their unhappniess and misfortune in the MA. These numbers prove beyond any reasonable person's doubt that MA numerical disparities have a ZERO NET EFFECT on the end result of gameplay in the MA. To deny this one simple fact is to admit to being an irrational being.

Zazen

[Overlag]

zazen im sure if all the bish and all the knights flew la7s or p51s we'd have the same "cool" rank as rooks

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Overlag
zazen im sure if all the bish and all the knights flew la7s or p51s we'd have the same "cool" rank as rooks

Ummmm, try flying Rooks one day, all you Bish fly are Lgay7's, Niki's and Spits.... I had to take a deep breath after reading that to avoid choking on my tongue.

Zazen

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Overlag


anyway, if you want to go by numbers...how about mine? what squad has been top for the last 4-5tours? and what side has it come from?

Yup, fully 1/3 of all the Bishop's whopping 18 Top 99 fighter pilots are in your squadron. Busher is a wonderfull recruiter, not real picky though .


Zazen

[DREDIOCK]

It can be claimed till the end of the earth that the Rooks somehow have better pilots.
I personally through my own experiance just dont see it.
Timewise I fight Rooks and bish about evenly
And I dont see any rook pilots that are any better then any bish pilots
Both sides seem to have some pretty good sticks and both sides seem to have pilots that well...Aint so good.
Yet I've killed more rooks then I have bish.
The ONLY difference I see between either is the amount of numbers that rooks tend to put up

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
It can be claimed till the end of the earth that the Rooks somehow have better pilots.
I personally through my own experiance just dont see it.
Timewise I fight Rooks and bish about evenly
And I dont see any rook pilots that are any better then any bish pilots
Both sides seem to have some pretty good sticks and both sides seem to have pilots that well...Aint so good.
Yet I've killed more rooks then I have bish.
The ONLY difference I see between either is the amount of numbers that rooks tend to put up

Actually you should check your own statistics. You may not realize it but you are in fact a great example.

Drediock's Last 5 Tours Cumulative Kill Totals:

Drediock vs. Bishops:

Drediock's Kills vs. Bishops:1,390
Bishop's Kills vs. Drediock:1,014
Drediock's K/D vs. Bishops:1.37:1 Kills per Death

Drediock vs Rooks:

Drediock's Kills vs. Rooks:1,566
Rook's Kills vs. Drediock:1,257
Drediock's K/D vs Rooks:1.25:1 Kills per Death

Conclusion: Your overall K/D is pretty low, so does not make for a glaring example, but for you the difference represents a 10% increase in your effectiveness when fighting Bishops. Interestingly, this is almost exactly the difference in country K/D between Knights and Bishops for the same period.

Thanks for helping prove my point! !

Zazen