Author Topic: The thing where you shoot someone but take the damage..thing (Read 1359 times)

Karnak · « **Reply #30 on:** August 04, 2004, 11:37:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
The one without ammunition will likely leave the fight very quickly. Sure, he CAN stick around, but he most likely won't. Especially if he's the putz who always dives in and cuts off another pilot. That clown is only out for himself, and won't be helping the other pilot at all. He'll be running home to save his precious butt. Once he can't get kills he's through. The pilot who was cut off will leave him high and dry if he has any sense at all, and let him suffer the consquences of his actions. Were it me, if I had good reason to believe he didn't cut in by accident, I'd let you have him. And I'd tell you and him both, on 200. THAT is community pressure.

But the clown who dove into your fire stream (why does this almost never happen to me, but almost always to all you guys?) won't be the one without ammo. It will be you.

If it was set so that the guy who got hit lost his ammo I can see a lot of people greifing players who just want to have fun.

Simaril · « **Reply #31 on:** August 04, 2004, 11:42:42 AM »

Ok, why not do BOTH?

The killshooter stays the same for the guy behind the trigger, so we learn to check fire in danger situations.

The .guy who popped in front loses his ammo, without dying or taking damage.

Both guys have incentive to change their community-undesired behavior -- which is a good criterion for succesful intervention

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #32 on:** August 04, 2004, 01:20:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
But the clown who dove into your fire stream (why does this almost never happen to me, but almost always to all you guys?) won't be the one without ammo. It will be you.

If it was set so that the guy who got hit lost his ammo I can see a lot of people greifing players who just want to have fun.

I'd just as soon it were both without ammo.

There are griefers who are "killshootering" people already.

Make a rule, and someone will always use it to grief.

If it took ammo from both of them, then both would leave.

If cutting people off left you facing an enemy without ammunition, rather than causing someone else to die outright, you'd work hard to avoid it.

To further add to the incentive not to do it, why not take the ammunition of a person with three violations in a certain time period for a short period of time? It worked real well in Air Warrior. Even if only for a few minutes, it would have a very sobering effect.

It doesn't happen to me THAT often, but it does happen TOO often.

Karnak · « **Reply #33 on:** August 04, 2004, 01:34:57 PM »

Captain Virgil Hilts,

I don't think it would work.

I know that I have stayed in fights after my ammo was gone to try to bluff the enemy into making mistakes or breaking off of a friendly. I don't think I am unique in that.

The bottom line is that one aircraft needs to be taken out of the combat completely and immediately when a friendly fire incident occurs. Anything else distorts the outcome of the combat.

In an ideal world it would be the guy that flew in front of your guns, but it this flawed reality that is unworkable.

The thing that surprises me is how often this happens to other people. I can only recall one killshooter incident where I died by having somebody cut in and I have never been greifed.

SlapShot · « **Reply #34 on:** August 04, 2004, 01:35:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Simaril
Ok, why not do BOTH?

The killshooter stays the same for the guy behind the trigger, so we learn to check fire in danger situations.

The .guy who popped in front loses his ammo, without dying or taking damage.

Both guys have incentive to change their community-undesired behavior -- which is a good criterion for succesful intervention

I can't count .. even with an abacus ... how many times I have been saddled up on a cons 6 and had not one, but multiple people shooting over my shoulder. Geesh I hate that. Thanks for the help, but NO THANKS !!!

If my ammo were to go to zero everytime one of those bozos pinged me, I would be 1,000,000 times more pissed than if my ammo went to zero cause the bozo flew into my bullet stream.

DipStick · « **Reply #35 on:** August 04, 2004, 01:45:22 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
I can't count .. even with an abacus ... how many times I have been saddled up on a cons 6 and had not one, but multiple people shooting over my shoulder. Geesh I hate that. Thanks for the help, but NO THANKS.

LOL... ain't it the truth. Wouldn't it be cool if all their ammo went to "0". I've only been KS'd about 3-4 times a year I'd guess but I usually only fire from 200-300. Still get some hero diving in front of me every once in awhile. Amazing.

SlapShot · « **Reply #36 on:** August 04, 2004, 02:24:57 PM »

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Originally posted by DipStick
LOL... ain't it the truth. Wouldn't it be cool if all their ammo went to "0". I've only been KS'd about 3-4 times a year I'd guess but I usually only fire from 200-300. Still get some hero diving in front of me every once in awhile. Amazing.

I envision Mars01 RTBing quite a bit if this were to happen !!!

DipStick · « **Reply #37 on:** August 04, 2004, 02:29:24 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
I envision Mars01 RTBing quite a bit if this were to happen !!!

Figured him for a big ol' killstealer.

mars01 · « **Reply #38 on:** August 04, 2004, 02:30:55 PM »

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I envision Mars01 RTBing quite a bit if this were to happen !!!

Sure all the times I try to fly infront of your bullets when your shooting over my shoulder:D, the one time I don't want you to get the killshooter so you can feel the burn of the steal and you get killshootered.

Kill stealing is a no win situation boys and girls lol:D

mars01 · « **Reply #39 on:** August 04, 2004, 02:33:44 PM »

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Figured him for a big ol' killstealer.

I wish, the first time in my life I get to steal a kill from slappy( ole eagle eye, with a seeing eye dog), the other night, and he killshootered on me.

Dam! I think he got discoed to cause all we heard was "awww mars, what the hell?" and then he was gone

SlapShot · « **Reply #40 on:** August 04, 2004, 02:33:46 PM »

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Originally posted by DipStick
Figured him for a big ol' killstealer.

The BIGGEST of them all !!!

the one time ...

And then you woke up !!!

DipStick · « **Reply #41 on:** August 04, 2004, 02:39:17 PM »

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Originally posted by mars01
I think he got discoed to cause all we heard was "awww mars, what the hell?" and then he was gone

LOL.. now THAT is funny.

FiLtH · « **Reply #42 on:** August 04, 2004, 02:39:55 PM »

Well Ive seen guys in spits firning on a La7 at 600 away or better and losing ground, and Ive dove down to get on the la7 only to have the guy in the spit tell me to stay out of his guns.

To me he should have been the one to have stopped firing...but he'd insist I was at fault. Oh well..if folks are happy with it whatever. But how about getting a toggle for Range so I dont have to hear it?

mars01 · « **Reply #43 on:** August 04, 2004, 02:41:43 PM »

Yeah I almost thru up when I saw this

My Score one night current tour, I think it was Monday.

Kills 34
Assists 15
Sorties 23

15 assists in 23 sorties and 34 kills.

My buddy slaps score that night

Kills 17
Assists 4
Sorties 6

LOL, I had to do something hahahah. Plus I'd have to be able to hit something to kill steal lol.

DipStick · « **Reply #44 on:** August 04, 2004, 02:44:27 PM »

Personally if I'm on someone's 6 I don't need help period. Now if you have alt/e and feel you can get the kill just say "mind if I step in" on vox. If I'm losing ground or whatever I'll say go ahead. That's just me, not sure how others feel. It's happened like that a couple of times and everything worked out fine.