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« Reply #60 on: August 06, 2004, 01:04:22 PM »
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Christ yeager... He went and he served.. wtf? do you people think he had all this planned out?? Who gives a **** what the wounds were.. He was there with the possibility of death...

I have doubts in all you so called 'vets' or ex-military people who would even attempt to belittle his service.. ****ing repulsive..


i dont question kerrys service because even if he was a political hack at the time he was still in combat zone. but turn your statement around how can anyone question the nerve or bravery of someone who is jet fighter pilot? bush jr was there with possibilty of death as well. all arguements to contrary are made by political robot with no idea of military life at sharp end of things. even more insulting you have extreme leftist now saying that they respect military service.

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« Reply #61 on: August 06, 2004, 01:05:48 PM »
whole thing about attacks on bush jr remind me of rather calling bush sr "wimp" on tv. pissant reporter telling combat pilot hes a wimp should have been a comedian instead of a "reporter".

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« Reply #62 on: August 06, 2004, 01:17:26 PM »
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Three questions for kerry supporters (or Bush haters..whatever the difference may be):

1) Is it true kerry was awarded a total of three Purple Heart medals, all for extremely minor superficial wounds, of which two wounds occured in the absence of any enemy activity?

2) Is it true that any individual receiving three Purple Heart medals in Vietnam was given the opportunity to request rotation out of theater?

3) Is it true the Kerry served only four months in Vietnam?


#1 No,

1) In any action against an enemy of the United States;
2) In any action with an opposing armed force of a foreign country in which the Armed Forces of the United States are or have been engaged;
3) While serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party;
4) As a result of an act of any such enemy of opposing armed forces;
5) As the result of an act of any hostile foreign force;
6) After March 28 1973 as a result of an international terrorist attack against the United States or a foreign nation friendly to the United States, recognized as such an attack by the Secretary of the department concerned, or jointly by the Secretaries of the departments concerned if persons from more than one department are wounded in the attack; or,
7) After March 28, 1973, as a result of military operations, while serving outside the territory of the United States as part of a peacekeeping force.
8) After December 7, 1941, by weapon fire while directly engaged in armed conflict, regardless of the fire causing the wound.
9) While held as a prisoner of war or while being taken captive.

A wound for which the award is made must have required treatment by a medical officer.


#2 True, thousands of troops took this option to get back to the world, many with multiple decorations.

#3 False, His first tour in Vietnam was aboard ship, never came under enemy fire during that tour. He requested and recieved his his requested billet in country with the Swift Boats for his second tour.

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« Reply #63 on: August 06, 2004, 02:20:49 PM »
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You know nothing about kerry other than the propaganda you fill your head and thoughts with..  I find it appauling you would disrespect another's service if you yourself indeed served in the armed forces..

A few simple questions of Kerry's 'type' of officer.

1. How many of the men serving under Kerry died to hostile action?

2. How many men did Kerry's action save?


This same fellow service member came home and basically PISSED on the graves of all his other fellow GIs that had died and all of those still serving in combat with out right blatent LIES.  

you may write that off as him wanting to end the war blah blah blah but I dont feel the end justifies the means here.  Vilifying the fighting men he served w/ was a discgrace.

Add that to some of the things I've read about him and his total 4 months of service and he does equal that dangerous Officer.

Give him another 8 months in country and he would have likely done two things......shaped up and been a totally different person today.....or F'up and get some or all of his crew killed.

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« Reply #64 on: August 06, 2004, 02:23:39 PM »
Thanks Lars.

that piece of toast scares me :aok
"If someone flips you the bird and you don't know it, does it still count?" - SLIMpkns

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« Reply #65 on: August 06, 2004, 02:25:53 PM »
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Christ yeager... He went and he served.. wtf? do you people think he had all this planned out?? Who gives a **** what the wounds were.. He was there with the possibility of death...

I have doubts in all you so called 'vets' or ex-military people who would even attempt to belittle his service.. ****ing repulsive..


so if I went to Iraq....I served right?  Correct

If I went to Iraq and served in an other than honorable fasion.....I still served right?   Correct again.

Isnt something I should brag about

Dude....kerry is running on his war record.....his war record is not much to brag about.

The fact that these vets are being written off as propaganda for the RNC without anyone hearing their story is rediculis.

When I read of storys that kerry put himself in for his first perple heart after he got a self inflicted wound from poor handling and firing of an M079 grenade launcher on a night when no enemy action took place.......it churns my stomache.  The worst part of it, it is beleiveable because of the amount of times Kerry has changed his version of the story.

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« Reply #66 on: August 06, 2004, 02:57:04 PM »
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so if I went to Iraq....I served right?  Correct

If I went to Iraq and served in an other than honorable fasion.....I still served right?   Correct again.

Isnt something I should brag about

Dude....kerry is running on his war record.....his war record is not much to brag about.

The fact that these vets are being written off as propaganda for the RNC without anyone hearing their story is rediculis.

When I read of storys that kerry put himself in for his first perple heart after he got a self inflicted wound from poor handling and firing of an M079 grenade launcher on a night when no enemy action took place.......it churns my stomache.  The worst part of it, it is beleiveable because of the amount of times Kerry has changed his version of the story.


Answer my questions gunslinger.. How many of his people serving under him did Kerry get killed through poor leadership? How many people under his command did he save? WTF else matters? He served his country and got his people back safe under his command..

Your no patriot.. Get off your self ordanded high-horse.. Your a ****ing hypocritcal parrot with a chip on your shoulder.. Just repeat what you hear untill you get a cracker.........

edit: Their stories?? You mean stories from the book you keep talking about? The book that it's chief character witness is now refruting??
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« Reply #67 on: August 06, 2004, 03:11:18 PM »
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Answer my questions gunslinger.. How many of his people serving under him did Kerry get killed through poor leadership? How many people under his command did he save? WTF else matters? He served his country and got his people back safe under his command..

Your no patriot.. Get off your self ordanded high-horse.. Your a ****ing hypocritcal parrot with a chip on your shoulder.. Just repeat what you hear untill you get a cracker.........

edit: Their stories?? You mean stories from the book you keep talking about? The book that it's chief charater witness is now refruting??


Hmmm were to start.  If you think leadership is all about bringing your men home you are half right

I agree with you that it is important.  

Let me ask you this.  Do you have any proof that kerrys first purple heart was not a self inflicted scratch or are you just beleiving what kerry said and the citation.  

I've definatly keeping an open mind on this and the only thing not tying this all together is kerry's crew itself.  

But, all these storys fit kerry's profile perfectly

as far as Capt Elliot is concerned we will just have to wait that one out cause SBVFT is saying this:

"Captain George Elliott describes an article appearing in today’s edition of the Boston Globe by Mike Kranish as extremely inaccurate and highly misstating his actual views. He reaffirms his statement in the current advertisement paid for by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, Captain Elliott reaffirms his affidavit [see below] in support of that advertisement, and he reaffirms his request that the ad be played.

“Additional documentation will follow. “The article by Mr. Kranish is particularly surprising given page 102 of Mr. Kranish’s own book quoting John Kerry as acknowledging that he killed a single, wounded, fleeing Viet Cong soldier whom he was afraid would turn around.


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So answer me this.  Does not losing anyone  under your command make you a good leader?  Does it qualify you to be commander in chief?

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« Reply #68 on: August 06, 2004, 03:18:05 PM »
Answer me, I answer you.. 8)

Sorry, im being an ass...

I dont think it would unconditionaly make a good leader... But, it could.. I dont mean to say he would be a great president.. I dont mean to say he would be a terrible president.. I'm saying he served his time and did his duty.. Let it rest. Judge him on his political life...

You do notice I have not brought up Bush's VN record..  It just simply not worth the time..
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« Reply #69 on: August 06, 2004, 03:20:26 PM »
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Answer me, I answer you.. 8)


as stated in the very first line of my reply


Hmmm were to start. If you think leadership is all about bringing your men home you are half right

I agree with you that it is important.

In a hypothetical situation is just bringing your men back alive good enough.....

NO,  It is important but in military terms mission accomplishment ALLWAYS comes before troop welfare.

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« Reply #70 on: August 06, 2004, 03:24:31 PM »
And as far as retracting statements from Unfit for command....here's all Capt. Elliot......ONE OF MANY QUOTED IN THE BOOK retracted.


The Globe quotes Elliott as saying yesterday, "I still don't think he shot the guy in the back. It was a terrible mistake probably for me to sign the affidavit with those words. I'm the one in trouble here."

He still thinks kerry should not have gotten the silver star for his actions.

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In the interview with the Globe, Elliott said that based on the affidavits of the veterans on other boats, he now thinks his assessment that Kerry deserved the Bronze Star and third Purple Heart may have been based on poor information.

"I simply have no reason for these guys to be lying, and if they are lying in concert, it is one hell of a conspiracy," he told the paper. "So, on the basis of all of the information that has come out, I have chosen to believe the other men. I absolutely do not know first hand."
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« Reply #71 on: August 06, 2004, 03:26:17 PM »
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as stated in the very first line of my reply


Hmmm were to start. If you think leadership is all about bringing your men home you are half right

I agree with you that it is important.

In a hypothetical situation is just bringing your men back alive good enough.....

NO,  It is important but in military terms mission accomplishment ALLWAYS comes before troop welfare.


Ok Gun..

My second question was how many of his men did Kerry save??

You just keep going with this bull.. err stuff..

What mission did Kerry not accomplish or finish??

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« Reply #72 on: August 06, 2004, 03:26:44 PM »
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You know nothing about kerry other than the propaganda you fill your head and thoughts with.. I find it appauling you would disrespect another's service if you yourself indeed served in the armed forces..


You assume you know all about Kerry from the propaganda HE has filled YOUR head with?

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« Reply #73 on: August 06, 2004, 03:30:19 PM »
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And as far as retracting statements from Unfit for command....here's all Capt. Elliot......ONE OF MANY QUOTED IN THE BOOK retracted.


The Globe quotes Elliott as saying yesterday, "I still don't think he shot the guy in the back. It was a terrible mistake probably for me to sign the affidavit with those words. I'm the one in trouble here."

He still thinks kerry should not have gotten the silver star for his actions.

also:

In the interview with the Globe, Elliott said that based on the affidavits of the veterans on other boats, he now thinks his assessment that Kerry deserved the Bronze Star and third Purple Heart may have been based on poor information.

"I simply have no reason for these guys to be lying, and if they are lying in concert, it is one hell of a conspiracy," he told the paper. "So, on the basis of all of the information that has come out, I have chosen to believe the other men. I absolutely do not know first hand."


Was Kerry responsible for signing the paper work that got him his Silver Star?

Who cares if the guy agrees that he got it or not?? Was Elliot in the boat with them when the actions took place?  

Prolly my last post here.. Simply a waste of time and my w/end is about to start...

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« Reply #74 on: August 06, 2004, 03:30:59 PM »
Well, it is a fact that he didn't accomplish the super-secret Cambodia mission he said he participated in on 25/26 December 1969, since he was not in the area and has since quit talking about the episode.