« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5   Go Down

Author Topic: P-51 vs Ki-84  (Read 3670 times)

Offline SunTracker

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1367
P-51 vs Ki-84
« on: August 06, 2004, 04:41:39 PM »
Post tactics that the P-51 can use against the Ki-84 (historical and from other flight sims).  

I believe the 84 will have a top speed of around 400mph, and excellent acceleration.  This means the P-51 wont be able to disengage from a fight without diving away.  Also, the Ki-84s zoom climb will probably be amazing due to the high thrust-to-weight ratio of the aircraft (source= Aces over the Pacific handbook).
Logged

Offline Morpheus

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10224
P-51 vs Ki-84
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2004, 04:43:38 PM »
Nik dweebs are going to have a chitfit.

Wax
Logged
If you don't receive Jesus Christ, you don't receive the gift of righteousness.

Be A WARRIOR NOT A WORRIER!

Offline oboe

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 9805
P-51 vs Ki-84
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2004, 04:50:54 PM »
Also it has combat 'butterfly' flaps to improve low speed handling - not sure where those will put it in the ranks of low speed manueverability.   Probably better than almost any other late-War monster a/c?
« Last Edit: August 06, 2004, 04:56:39 PM by oboe »
Logged

Offline Mitsu

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2763
      • Himitsu no blog (Mitsu's secret blog - written by Japanese)
P-51 vs Ki-84
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2004, 04:54:25 PM »
Logged

Offline SELECTOR

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2742
      • http://www.332viking.com
P-51 vs Ki-84
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2004, 05:07:09 PM »
perk it..
Logged

Offline Hajo

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6035
P-51 vs Ki-84
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2004, 05:18:09 PM »
Not a Perk ride....I'll post numbers on it below.


Nakajima ki-84 Hayate "Frank"

Numbers on Ki-84- 1 to 1c

Engine: in all production models 1900hp Nakajima Homare Ha-45
Model 11 18 cyl two row radial.

Weights:  Empty 5,864 lb (2680kg)  normal loaded 8,267lb (3750kg)

Performance: Maximum Speed 388 mph (624k/hr) initial climb 3,600 ft/min.  service ceiling 34,450 ft. (10,500m)

Armament: 1a: 2X20mm Ho-5 in wings 150 rds each, 2X12.7 mm type 103 in fuselage with 350 rds.

1b: 4X20mm each with 150 rds two in wings two in fuselage.

1c:  two 20mm in fuselage and two 30mm in wings (all operational models)

can carry two drop tanks (98gal) or two 250kg bombs.

Range internal fuel 1,025 miles with drop tanks 1,815 miles.

Source: German, Italian and Japanese Fighters of WWII

Author:  Bill Gunston

Publisher:  ARCO Press NY
Logged
- The Flying Circus -

Offline Hajo

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6035
P-51 vs Ki-84
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2004, 05:21:17 PM »
Sun....take a look at the stats I posted.  It's not a 400 mph aircraft.  Very nimble and a well gunned aircraft.  With good speed but not outstanding speed.  And not as light as you would expect.
Logged
- The Flying Circus -

Offline Karnak

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 23048
P-51 vs Ki-84
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2004, 05:22:12 PM »
Hajo,

Those are the absolute lowest numbers obtained by the first prototype.

It may use those, but I'd guess it will be a tad better.

I don't think it will use the American test data that had it faster than the P-51D or P-47M until 20,000ft.
Logged
Petals floating by,
      Drift through my woman's hand,
             As she remembers me-

Offline Hajo

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6035
P-51 vs Ki-84
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2004, 05:31:18 PM »
Karnak....might be....but everywhere I've searched these numbers seem to be the consensus.

Was also written because it was a late war aircraft the quality was very poor.  Sometimes from plane to plane. Due to the bombing of aircraft plants and steel facilities , engines, and landing gear were a question mark.  States :"Sometimes the Pilot wouldn't know when he took off whether his aircraft would climb to reach the B29s"  This due to the lack quality engines, availability of parts, and the poor quality of Steel being manufactured at that time.

So.....if it is modeled top notch....would be wrong.  If modeled at low end...wouldn't help either.  All in all even if above stats are the norm....it's a very formidable adversary....which I am dying to use....

And....only one question...Where's the Ki100???  That would be plane I'm looking for!:)
« Last Edit: August 06, 2004, 05:33:19 PM by Hajo »
Logged
- The Flying Circus -

Offline SunTracker

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1367
P-51 vs Ki-84
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2004, 05:34:53 PM »
I've seen Ki84 numbers range from 388mph to 420mph.  

I estimate the Ki-84 will be able to accelerate as fast as the G10 or La7.
Logged

Offline simshell

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 786
P-51 vs Ki-84
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2004, 05:49:33 PM »
its going to be perked
Logged
known as Arctic in the main

Offline Pongo

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6701
P-51 vs Ki-84
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2004, 06:02:17 PM »
Hope they give it the best case numbers..Hope they light perk it along with the F8F-2
Logged

Offline -MZ-

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 465
Re: P-51 vs Ki-84
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2004, 06:19:01 PM »
The only real weaknesses the Frank had in AW were poor high speed handling, structural weakness (wings popped off), and terrible performance at extreme monkey alts (30K+).
Logged

Offline Redd

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1316
P-51 vs Ki-84
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2004, 07:16:33 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by MoRphEuS
Nik dweebs are going to have a chitfit.

Wax



The nikdweebs will all be flying Ki-84's
Logged
I come from a land downunder

Offline J_A_B

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3012
P-51 vs Ki-84
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2004, 07:20:04 PM »
A P-51 pilot would use the same tactics against a Ki-84 as he would against something like an LA-5FN or such.  That is, he'd want to keep thew speed up and not get slow for prolonged lengths of time.


Hajo--

You see those numbes everywhere because the data from the prototype was the most commonly reproduced.   As Karnak mentions, the Ki-84 is unique in that there are a LOT of widely different sets of peformance data available for it, all of which are valid in their own way.  This is a fighter which HTC can pretty much choose how they want it to perform--it could potentially be anything from a sub-standard N1K to something so scary it needs a perk.  

For example, top speeds in various flight test setups ranged from the low of 388 MPH to as high as 427 MPH.  The general agreement on the BBS is that most wartime Ki-84's probably reached the 410 MPH range; faster than the prototype but not as fast as the meticulously cared for and prepped version from the US postwar tests.

J_A_B
Logged
Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5   Go Up
« previous next »