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Nash · « **Reply #105 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:11:05 PM »

So what's left then?

PO'd CO's?

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #106 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:11:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Oh - I got it:

"The John Kerry that I know is not the John Kerry that everybody else is portraying. I served alongside him and behind him, five feet away from him in a gun tub, and watched as he made indecisive moves with our boat, put our boats in jeopardy, put our crews in jeopardy... if a man like that can't handle that 6-man crew boat, how can you expect him to be our Commander-in-Chief?"

Yeah, and he also said Kerry was an out and out liar:

THE DINNER THAT NEVER HAPPENED
Kerry’s Fictitious Journal Account
In Kerry’s account of the An Thoi transfer, he makes up an entire conversation
with the skipper of the landing ship tank (LST) who Kerry
claims invited him and Peck for dinner on their way to An Thoi. As
Kerry told the story in Tour of Duty, the LST captain launched into a
discussion about his role in what had become known as the “Bo De
massacre.” According to the version of the story told by Kerry, the
LST captain presented a defensive account, attempting to correct a
Stars and Stripes story criticizing him for LST covering fire that had
supposedly fallen short, exposing Swiftees on the mission to unnecessary
casualties.
But according to Captain Peck’s recollection and that of Kerry’s
crewman Steven Gardner, he and Kerry were at the LST only a few
minutes for refueling, not enough time for a comfortable dinner with
the LST captain—and there was no conversation about “the massacre”
as described by Kerry. Even more significant, Kerry’s account
of the “Bo De massacre” is a breathtaking lie. In Tour, Kerry presents
the first Swift incident on the Bo De as a “massacre” of Swiftees with
seventeen wounded caused by the incompetence of all commanders
whom he chose to blame rather than the vagaries of war or the
enemy. Kerry’s fabrication comes even though he was not there. Joe
Ponder was there as a Swiftee on the mission in question. Today, still
badly disabled and on crutches from the incident, Ponder says, “There
were only three persons wounded—not seventeen as Kerry states—
and I was the first. I do not understand his criticism of our officers.
I’ve always been proud of our officers.”
Ponder maintains today that the person who truly shamed and
offended him was John Kerry, whose fraudulent account of war
crimes in Tour of Duty has led his own grandchildren to ask him,
“Did you commit the war crimes John Kerry describes?” At the
press conference held by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth in Washington,
D.C., on May 4, 2004, Ponder was in tears, not from his
wounds or the agony of standing with his braces, but from the
wounds that Kerry’s lies in Tour of Duty had left upon his heart and
his family.

There, I did your research for you.

Martlet · « **Reply #107 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:11:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Sixpence
That's what I say....about Bush

Perfectly legitimate.

My opinion is just that, my opinion. I wasn't there, and must rely on the testimony of people who claim to know. That being said, what conclusions have I drawn?

Did Bush use his connections to avoid Nam? I believe he probably did. Do I think he was AWOL? No. I served in the reserves before and after my active duty, 20 years after Bush. During my time, you could miss as many drills as you wanted, as long as you made them up and had permission. They were very lenient.

Did Kerry work the system to leave Nam early? Probably. Who wouldn't, if you could? He was well connected, and smart enough to manipulate the system. All the men who testify for and against him probably believe exactly what they are saying. Opinion and perspective are surely influenced by personal views. I know mine are. You can come to rational conclusions, but it isn't easy to admit them if they go against what you WANT to be true.

The bottom line is, most of the trash being thrown around is pretty irrelevant to the election.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #108 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:14:48 PM »

Perhaps after the sheep food is done we can discuss Bush's appointment of Tom Ridge as the first secretary of homeland security.

"oh today is level orange - must wear the blue shirt, green will clash."

Could he have chosen anyone more vacant?

I don't care if Kerry shoved a 6 penny nail up his butt to get out of Nam or if Bush shoved 7 eightballs a week up his nose in the 70's. I do care about Bush's questionable judgement.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #109 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:16:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
So now this Gardner guy.... does he like to watch?

nm...

WTF does HE know about boats and men? And I may have missed it, but upon what does he base his opinion?

He did a tour in swift boats BEFORE he served with Kerry, a FULL tour, and was finishing up his SECOND when serving with Kerry. So, with TWO FULL TOURS, he has 24 months of swift boat experience to Kerry's 4. I guess he figures with two full tours he has some idea of how swift boats were supposed to operate.

Lizking · « **Reply #110 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:16:54 PM »

Sure, Tweety, but I think that should be in it's own thread. Start it, and lt's discuss it.

Nash · « **Reply #111 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:17:24 PM »

Virgil,

Here's an interesting story, a FACT, as it were:

Yer mom wears army boots.

or whatever...

That whole thing you did is worthless... Where does it come from? Who is the author?

As long as it's between a coupla 's it's legit? Gee - thanks for the research.

Martlet I am shocked. That's prolly the most intelligent thing I think I've heard you say. I need water....

Martlet · « **Reply #112 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:17:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
So what's left then?

PO'd CO's?

My CO loved me. If your CO is p'd off, it's usually because you suck. If you're doing a good job, you get recognized for it. So doesn't he.

Martlet · « **Reply #113 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:18:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash

Martlet I am shocked. That's prolly the most intelligent thing I think I've heard you say. I need water....

That's because it's much more fun to make folks get their panties in a bunch.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #114 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:20:09 PM »

I am - still fact checking -people LOVE statistics

Dnil · « **Reply #115 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:27:21 PM »

you know when I served in the military I had CO's I liked and CO's I didnt like. Were the ones I liked good leaders? I have no idea. Where the ones I didnt like good leaders? still no clue. I was enlisted and just followed orders. I didn't know how we performed in the grand scheme of things.

I had a crew in a our squad...does that mean I only knew the people in my crew? Nope I knew just about everyone in my squad. From my experience the officers only hung out with officers and enlisted hung out with enlisted. I would tend to listen to what other officers said about him, they knew him on the level that is needed for president.

Heck Kerry might have liked to give out free thailand hookers to his crew and thats why they love him.

Wotan · « **Reply #116 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:31:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
So now this Gardner guy.... does he like to watch?

nm...

WTF does HE know about boats and men? And I may have missed it, but upon what does he base his opinion?

The question is wtf do you know? You are an idiot dope head by your admission.

What drug are you basing your opinion on?

Nash · « **Reply #117 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:31:21 PM »

Gee...

From what I gather, a 22 year-old who is adored by his CO's is pretty much ready to be president.

Nash · « **Reply #118 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:32:04 PM »

Hey Wotan - shreck you, goof.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #119 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:37:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Virgil,

Here's an interesting story, a FACT, as it were:

Yer mom wears army boots.

or whatever...

That whole thing you did is worthless... Where does it come from? Who is the author?

As long as it's between a coupla 's it's legit? Gee - thanks for the research.

Martlet I am shocked. That's prolly the most intelligent thing I think I've heard you say. I need water....

Oh look, the little man has no basis for his argument (nothing at all unusual) so he makes a personal attack by making a remark about my mother. Gee, aren't you just special.

Idiot, you asked for someone to search through the chapter of the book by the swift vets and find you the part about what Steve Gardner, the gunner on Kerry's boat, and what he said said about Kerry. I can't help it if you are so stupid and arrogant as to not be able to figure out that I went and did what you asked, and that it came from the chapter you could not bring yourself to read.

You really are sad and pathetic. You asked for someone to find you the information, since you admit you were simply to lazy to find it yourself, and the best you can offer is a personal attack.