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Offline Zazen13

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« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2004, 01:30:09 AM »
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What is really sad is that the Knights and Bishops swear to everyone the reason they are outnumbered is because no one like to fly against numbers.

Maybe if some of them would quit complaining about being outnumbered and spend more time getting organized and recruiting with a tactic other than a pity plea, they'd have better luck.

I don't much care about flying against a group outnumbered 2:1 either. But my squad is a Rook squad, and I'm sure they'll stay a Rook squad. And why should anyone switch to make someone else happy anyway?

On the other hand, I have seen the Knights and the Bishops work together against the Rooks plenty, so the constant whine about two countries with numbers beating on the one without is bogus as well. It doesn't stop when the smallest country is no longer in danger of being reset either.

The numbers issue is nothing new, it is older than AH, and it is cyclic. It will turn around. It always has.

If it doesn't, then perhaps some should take a look at their outnumbered country, and see if maybe there's a reason why it's short of people. I'm sure there are plenty of people looking to switch, I mean, after all, they can go to another country, and then they too can cry out, "Rook no talent ganging horde", and "alt monkey Rooks". Really, after all, that constant barrage of insults and whining is bound to win over hundreds of people.

Oh yeah, go ahead and flame me real good now, and tell me how easy it is for me to talk. Make sure you say something about the no talent no skill Rooks who can only get kills with mass numerical superiority and 5K altitude advantage. That'll make it nice and easy for me to prove my point, won't it?


Very lucid and accurate post. I hope people read it carefully and understand.
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Offline Mugzeee

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« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2004, 06:04:24 AM »
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
What is really sad is that the Knights and Bishops swear to everyone the reason they are outnumbered is because no one like to fly against numbers.

Maybe if some of them would quit complaining about being outnumbered and spend more time getting organized and recruiting with a tactic other than a pity plea, they'd have better luck.

I don't much care about flying against a group outnumbered 2:1 either. But my squad is a Rook squad, and I'm sure they'll stay a Rook squad. And why should anyone switch to make someone else happy anyway?

On the other hand, I have seen the Knights and the Bishops work together against the Rooks plenty, so the constant whine about two countries with numbers beating on the one without is bogus as well. It doesn't stop when the smallest country is no longer in danger of being reset either.

The numbers issue is nothing new, it is older than AH, and it is cyclic. It will turn around. It always has.

If it doesn't, then perhaps some should take a look at their outnumbered country, and see if maybe there's a reason why it's short of people. I'm sure there are plenty of people looking to switch, I mean, after all, they can go to another country, and then they too can cry out, "Rook no talent ganging horde", and "alt monkey Rooks". Really, after all, that constant barrage of insults and whining is bound to win over hundreds of people.

Oh yeah, go ahead and flame me real good now, and tell me how easy it is for me to talk. Make sure you say something about the no talent no skill Rooks who can only get kills with mass numerical superiority and 5K altitude advantage. That'll make it nice and easy for me to prove my point, won't it?

No comment on you talent or skill can explain you apparent ignorance.
1 Bish do organize with the numbers they have.
2 There are skilled pilots plenty.
3 You are wrong about the countries without numbers (Working together)
4 The (Numbers Issue) is much more pronounced these days than ever in the history of AH
Never has the Odds been this high.
5 And yes you are correct...There has been 2 more complete squadrons that made the change to ..You guessed it..ROOK in the last 3 weeks. And yep...there are more talking swithc at present. Guess where they are going? YEP Rook again.
Why?  Because they are tired of being outnumbered.
6 The whines of the outnumbered are going to continue to grow every day. And it is totally waranted whether you like it or not.
Its just not going to be enough with these odds.
Cmon over and take a beating with the bish or nits for a year.
Then explain how youd rather fight than switch.
These are gameplay issues...not personal attacks on any individual.
HT should do something to bring balance to the numbers.
Then we will se how organized Bish and Nits are when they KICK Rook Arses into submission.
After all...even though the odds have been extreemy against them for quite some time now...They have done very well holding off the Rook masses.
Most of us thought things would balance out by now...(Over a year now)
But i think most are getting real tired waiting for the balance to return.
regards.

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Very lucid and accurate post. I hope people read it carefully and understand.


Very inflamitory and inaccurate (Zazen like) post and thats why you understand it so well.
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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2004, 06:55:09 AM »
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
What is really sad is that the Knights and Bishops swear to everyone the reason they are outnumbered is because no one like to fly against numbers.

Maybe if some of them would quit complaining about being outnumbered and spend more time getting organized and recruiting with a tactic other than a pity plea, they'd have better luck.

I don't much care about flying against a group outnumbered 2:1 either. But my squad is a Rook squad, and I'm sure they'll stay a Rook squad. And why should anyone switch to make someone else happy anyway?


Come on, if you've been here since December 7, 2002, you surely remember the dismal numbers the rooks had and the UNLIMITED complaints that we all had to listen to.  Rook whining during 2002 makes Bish/Nit whining sound like a gentle buzz.

As for why anyone would switch sides, well, read this thread.  The current rook run in numbers started as a result of it.  The AKs switched to Rook for a week or two and others made the change permanent.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=69234&referrerid=2176

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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2004, 07:19:45 AM »
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Come on, if you've been here since December 7, 2002, you surely remember the dismal numbers the rooks had and the UNLIMITED complaints that we all had to listen to.  Rook whining during 2002 makes Bish/Nit whining sound like a gentle buzz.

As for why anyone would switch sides, well, read this thread.  The current rook run in numbers started as a result of it.  The AKs switched to Rook for a week or two and others made the change permanent.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=69234&referrerid=2176

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And what, pray tell, did HTC do to help the Rooks when they were outnumbered? Since I don't really remember HTC doing anything for the Rooks, you might find out how they turned it around, and try it yourselves.

The question is why any Rook would go over to either Bishops or Knights after being bombarded with constant insults and whines.

The question is not why your squad switched to Rooks. Perhaps you should ask your squad members why they switched to Rook. If they switched because of numbers, then they are part of the problem, which leaves you little room to complain, since you've followed along.
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« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2004, 07:22:54 AM »
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
And what, pray tell, did HTC do to help the Rooks when they were outnumbered? Since I don't really remember HTC doing anything for the Rooks, you might find out how they turned it around, and try it yourselves.

The question is why any Rook would go over to either Bishops or Knights after being bombarded with constant insults and whines.

The question is not why your squad switched to Rooks. Perhaps you should ask your squad members why they switched to Rook. If they switched because of numbers, then they are part of the problem, which leaves you little room to complain, since you've followed along.


The rooks did nothing to turn it around.  They couldn't --- a typical evening would be 180 Knights, 140 Bishops and 80 Rooks.  It got turned around because a number of Knight and Bishop squads thought the game would be more fun if the numbers were more evenly balanced.

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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2004, 07:23:41 AM »
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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2004, 07:27:31 AM »
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The question is why any Rook would go over to either Bishops or Knights after being bombarded with constant insults and whines.

Anyone who takes his "nationality" this seriously needs help.

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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2004, 07:31:42 AM »
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Perhaps you should ask your squad members why they switched to Rook. If they switched because of numbers, then they are part of the problem, which leaves you little room to complain, since you've followed along.


Somehow I think you got confused along the way. AKs switched to the lower numbered team to help balance things out. When things got better they came back to Bish. They were highly applauded on both ocassions.
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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2004, 07:34:17 AM »
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The rooks did nothing to turn it around.  They couldn't --- a typical evening would be 180 Knights, 140 Bishops and 80 Rooks.  It got turned around because a number of Knight and Bishop squads thought the game would be more fun if the numbers were more evenly balanced.

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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2004, 07:46:31 AM »
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I don't see the big deal, personally.  I usually switch to whoever has the lowest numbers when I'm on, typically that is knight or bish, but sometimes it is rooks.  

I flew Saturday AM USA time and rooks were outnumbered by both other countries the entire 2 hours I was up. It was not a drastic outnumbered situation but it was certain, adding to that the the rooks were stuck in reset-corner. The country in the north was rolling up the east coast pretty rapidly but we were holding onto the west coast. I was near the middle at and we were fighting back hordes of reds coming in from the north, there, I used the word, happy now?

I did not fly Saturday in prime time and all of my stick time on Sunday was used up in the BoB scenario.

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« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2004, 08:23:08 AM »
I too have seen Rooks outnumbered in the last week.

I still maintain that the numbers imbalances are cyclical, and are going to eventually change again.

Been here since 2001.

When Bish were the heavy hitters a couple of years ago I stayed as a bish.

When we became outnumbered on a regular basis I stayed.

The reason I don't switch (on a permanent basis), is that my squadron is pretty small, we rarely fly together anymore and it would have no real impact on numbers. (had my squad been larger and able to have an impact, I would have taken the road the AK's did, and I them for what they did)

I have no "real" loyalty to one chess piece or another. I just recognize that numbers will change, and don't get all worked up about it.

Besides, as a bish right now, it sure isn't hard to find a fight / target :)

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« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2004, 08:25:45 AM »
I feel the same Bug_Eaf. :lol

Im a knight, and sunday nights i go fight the bish cause i know numbers are more even against them and tend to bring better fights.  The last sunday (rook) night bish brought fights down to the deck and it was a fun furball.  I dont tend to see that with the rooks.

I really dont care about taking fields, I dont care about who wins.
All I care about is getting a good fight, low alts, and not getting ganged which I dont get very often against rooks.

There are good pilots on the rook side but they just get caught into the thing of ganging people and the high alt stuff.

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« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2004, 08:37:43 AM »
One more item.

AS far as those who decide to switch country, why are they berated for that decision?

Morpheus is a good example (sorry morpheus, hope you don't mind being the example).
Here's a guy who recognizes that Rooks are outnumbering all, makes a switch and is branded a "spy" for his efforts.

WTF??

Since when did we start applying a moral standard to someone on the basis of which chess piece he/she spends thier $14.95 on?

Get a grip people.

This Rook bashing is pointless, they will have thier turn in the barrel again eventually.

This belief that you can assign a behavior, or moral standard, or flying talent, to an individual based on the chess piece they fly for is all bull..chit as wel, and it gets tiresome. Knock it off.

Whoooboy.

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« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2004, 08:42:55 AM »
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Anyone who takes his "nationality" this seriously needs help.


::Twitch twitch::I need help.::Twitch::
but then again ::Twitch::I needed help long before I ::Twitch::ever took my country seriously.::Twitch twitch::

Yes its just a game.But.
Being loyal to your country adds to the immersion.
Some people fly and play just for themselves which coincides nicely with the current "ME" generation we belong to. And thats fine.
to each their own

For me I am trying to simulate not only the fights but the overall attitude of the time. They were the "WE" generation.
Just as everyone on all sides was fighting for their country then. So am I now
Just adds to the immersion.
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« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2004, 08:43:42 AM »
I have to agree. Its time to stop biatching about the numbers and for the Bish or Knights which ever team you belong to and figure out what tactical and strategic tactics are needed to stop the onslaught.
One sunday I organized a truce between the Knights and the Bishops only for me and my bish counter part to be chatized by a few of our country mates for being a bunch of *ussies, that truces were for wusses and I can tell you that when you your out numbered by 50 ppl, unless your Voss, Meta Tron or what ever his name is, your not going to win the battel of attrition.  So that means the Knights and Bish are going to have to learn to work more as a team, get organized and stop making the "arm Chair General" a dirty name.   After all there are some of us who understand the concepts of this game pretty well and have real world tactical and strategic battle planning experience to make this game fun for every one and not just a selected few.  I stoped trying to help the knights out with my knowledge and experience because I got tired of being ignored and told to screw off, yet the Knights are biatching about numbers and being rolled day in and day out, go figure....I wish each country had a special forum that  topics like this could be discussed with out the other countries knowing what the others are talking about.   I've written threads explaining that you can be successful and be at a number disadvantage but again no one listens so nothing changes.
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