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Offline Urchin

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« Reply #45 on: August 09, 2004, 12:45:37 PM »
Which has pretty much done nothing, as the current ratio shows.

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« Reply #46 on: August 09, 2004, 01:04:36 PM »
What some fail to see is that this off balance creates an awesome war enviroment.

The goal to conquor the Rookies mass distruction. The over coming of the rooks without game intervention should prove to be a great AH battle to remember.

Looks like the possibility of Knights and Bish as allies to defeat Rooks could happen.

Isn't this exactly how WWII turned into some hardcore gunslinging?

Stop sniveling about Rooks numbers and devise ways to beat them down. it can be done, most spend too much time crying about it rather then taking part in a great virtual war.

Smarten up,... kick their ars.

Fire this game up ;-)

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« Reply #47 on: August 09, 2004, 01:06:37 PM »
FLush , plunge, flush.

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« Reply #48 on: August 09, 2004, 02:06:08 PM »
funny how you guys try to defend how its allright that you have 2v1 over everbody:rolleyes:
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« Reply #49 on: August 09, 2004, 05:47:06 PM »
bah, just put it this way....

cRooks need the numbers:D

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« Reply #50 on: August 09, 2004, 06:07:18 PM »
I have flown AH since Beta off and on.I always was Rook,until my Squad decided to fly with the Knights.We had some good friends flying P38's over there,and numbers had nothing to do with switch.The numbers will adjust back and forth,and people will complain about alt monkies,ganging,etc.AH is a conglomeration of personalities,and if I said the sun was going to rise in the East,someone would argue about it.I just enjoy flying my P38,trying to have some fun,and I really don't care if we are outnumbered or not.I never bother with score,but it seems to me that becoming a Knight hasn't made a lot of difference in my dweebiness;)
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« Reply #51 on: August 09, 2004, 06:49:44 PM »
There may be more to the problem than just cyclic change, though, and as a realtively new member I may have a little insight into current forces.

When I first joined, I started as a Bish. I was learning the AH ropes, but also learning flight sims in general -- I hadnt ever played online, and the last one I seriously tried was "Their Finest Hour," LucasArts' BoB game (released in 1989 ). After geting my feet wet enough to figure out the game flow, I found myself continually frustrated because the Rooks seemed to roll over everyone and my countrymen didn't seem to do the things obviously necessary to counter the Rook moves. Even as a newbie it seemed that too many bish just flew around like headless chickens. I'd meekly call out, "that looks like bombers inbound, shouldn't we intercept?" and nobody would do anything. If I tried to do it alone, I naturally fell to earth surrrounded by flaming aluminum (an end that occurs now only slightly less often, but that's beside the point).

After about a month, my squad moved to rooks, and I found a very different world. Check 6s, missions, ad hoc cooperation, supply goons, and LOTS of furballing. (BTW, for the unnamed whiners amoung us, please note that in the 3 hrs I was on last pm the roughly 240:120:100 imbalance netted the rooks ONE base. Not exactly a gross gameplay imbalance, sirs.)

In short, I had more FUN as a rook. And, since it's my $15, don't expect me to have a less enjoyable experience just because you don't like the looks of the roster.

It's been said many times, but a good part of the apparent imbalance is rganization rather than total mass. I've been ountnumbered as a rook in the mornings fairly frequently, but I haven't yet had the chutzpah to post the grid on the BBS.

I now know what I couldnt see as a newly minted AH'er -- that there are many truly excellent pilots with the Bish and Nits. (And they all seem to find my icon strangely attracts their shells.) However, my experience with the swarm of less capable, less strategically minded, adn probably nonBBS posting Bish pilots drove me to leave that team.

If I'm here to talk about it, how many others silently have the same experience?
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« Reply #52 on: August 09, 2004, 06:55:05 PM »
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
ill stay bish

rooks are gang dweebs lately

knits give much better fights actually

skill is with the knits and not with the rooks

that's because they always fly on the lowest numbers

that's the truth


Very lucid and accurate post. I hope people read it carefully and understand.

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« Reply #53 on: August 09, 2004, 07:04:16 PM »
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
ill stay bish

rooks are gang dweebs lately

knits give much better fights actually

skill is with the knits and not with the rooks

that's because they always fly on the lowest numbers

that's the truth


well said....

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Re: Why i ended up a rook....
« Reply #54 on: August 09, 2004, 07:18:10 PM »
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If I'm here to talk about it, how many others silently have the same experience?


The knights have the Chk6s, the furballs, and the cooperation therein that you mentioned.  Not too much of the cooperative base-taking stuff, but then again I don't mind. :)

But whatever.  I think you can have cooperation without numbers, and I think cooperative base taking and any other activity in this game can be enjoyed more without a large overall numbers advantage (from both the gang and gangee's perspective).

IOW, style of play and cooperation is orthogonal to the issue of numbers.

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« Reply #55 on: August 09, 2004, 11:46:02 PM »
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IOW, style of play and cooperation is orthogonal to the issue of numbers.


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« Reply #56 on: August 10, 2004, 12:34:52 AM »
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...also, HT installed the perk multiplier to help with the numbers near the end of the rooks turn in the bucket.
 


Sure you get more perks.
Not that I care as I RARELY fly perk planes.

and you can fly cheap perk rides when outnumbered.
But the only problem with that is as soon as you jump in a perk plane you basically have just put a "Kick me" sign on your back.LOL
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Re: Why i ended up a rook....
« Reply #57 on: August 10, 2004, 12:56:04 AM »
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Originally posted by Simaril
There may be more to the problem than just cyclic change, though, and as a realtively new member I may have a little insight into current forces.

When I first joined, I started as a Bish. I was learning the AH ropes, but also learning flight sims in general -- I hadnt ever played online, and the last one I seriously tried was "Their Finest Hour," LucasArts' BoB game (released in 1989 ). After geting my feet wet enough to figure out the game flow, I found myself continually frustrated because the Rooks seemed to roll over everyone and my countrymen didn't seem to do the things obviously necessary to counter the Rook moves. Even as a newbie it seemed that too many bish just flew around like headless chickens. I'd meekly call out, "that looks like bombers inbound, shouldn't we intercept?" and nobody would do anything. If I tried to do it alone, I naturally fell to earth surrrounded by flaming aluminum (an end that occurs now only slightly less often, but that's beside the point).

After about a month, my squad moved to rooks, and I found a very different world. Check 6s, missions, ad hoc cooperation, supply goons, and LOTS of furballing. (BTW, for the unnamed whiners amoung us, please note that in the 3 hrs I was on last pm the roughly 240:120:100 imbalance netted the rooks ONE base. Not exactly a gross gameplay imbalance, sirs.)

In short, I had more FUN as a rook. And, since it's my $15, don't expect me to have a less enjoyable experience just because you don't like the looks of the roster.

It's been said many times, but a good part of the apparent imbalance is rganization rather than total mass. I've been ountnumbered as a rook in the mornings fairly frequently, but I haven't yet had the chutzpah to post the grid on the BBS.

I now know what I couldnt see as a newly minted AH'er -- that there are many truly excellent pilots with the Bish and Nits. (And they all seem to find my icon strangely attracts their shells.) However, my experience with the swarm of less capable, less strategically minded, adn probably nonBBS posting Bish pilots drove me to leave that team.

If I'm here to talk about it, how many others silently have the same experience?


Great post Simaril! This is how the teams look from an un-biased perspective, totally new to the genre. That's as objective as it gets. The raw numbers are just a 'symptom' not the cause!
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Re: Why i ended up a rook....
« Reply #58 on: August 10, 2004, 06:05:19 AM »
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Originally posted by Simaril
There may be more to the problem than just cyclic change, though, and as a realtively new member I may have a little insight into current forces.

Unlikely. ;)

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I found myself continually frustrated because the Rooks seemed to roll over everyone and my countrymen didn't seem to do the things obviously necessary to counter the Rook moves.  Even as a newbie it seemed that too many bish just flew around like headless chickens. I'd meekly call out, "that looks like bombers inbound, shouldn't we intercept?" and nobody would do anything. If I tried to do it alone, I naturally fell to earth surrrounded by flaming aluminum (an end that occurs now only slightly less often, but that's beside the point).

There's a reason for the headless chicken act.  Prior to AH2, when the number were 200:140:100, that meant serious trouble was on the way.  It meant that either the 140 or 100 man country was about be rolled over by superior numbers.

It meant that you, as a new person, shouting that "hey, there are bombers inbound" had incorrectly priortized the available tasks and the wiser heads than you had to decided to attack another threat.  Like all countries, there are only so many guys available who wish to play the 'strat game' and therefore, reduced numbers means a reduced number of guys who will respond to country threats. Each country has a certain fraction of guys who participate because they like 1) the strat game, 2) to furball, 3) vulch or whatever.

The true nastiness of superior numbers is that it permits all three behaviors as the front of the hoarde progresses.  The process feeds on itself.

Now that AH2 is here, 200:140:100 means very little (so far as strat goes) *IF* the 200 man country has the SE corner of Ndisles or Mindanao.  HTC has modified the strat to the extent that numbers don't always prevail (given the indicated positioning of the countries.)  Of course, in AH1, number were far more important.

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In short, I had more FUN as a rook. And, since it's my $15, don't expect me to have a less enjoyable experience just because you don't like the looks of the roster.

Since we are talking about chess pieces and not culture, it's safe to assume the above paragraph means one thing: You prefer to be with the country who has the largest numbers.  You should remember the old adage "what goes around, comes around."  The wheel will indeed turn and then I'll get to watch Simaril scurry to the side with the advantage and spout similar self-serving garbage as the post I just read about his new side.

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It's been said many times, but a good part of the apparent imbalance is rganization rather than total mass. I've been ountnumbered as a rook in the mornings fairly frequently, but I haven't yet had the chutzpah to post the grid on the BBS.

Given the current strat model, very little happens in the morning that changes country base captures.

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I now know what I couldnt see as a newly minted AH'er -- that there are many truly excellent pilots with the Bish and Nits. (And they all seem to find my icon strangely attracts their shells.) However, my experience with the swarm of less capable, less strategically minded, adn probably nonBBS posting Bish pilots drove me to leave that team.

If I'm here to talk about it, how many others silently have the same experience?

You simply lack the perspective that time provides.  Prior to November 2002 (for about a year), Knights had superior numbers and yes, we were blessed with numerous postings such as yours about the quality of Knight strategy/skill/whatever.  Prior to November 2001 (approximately), Bishops had superior numbers, and again, we got to listen to the same sort of crap from them.  

I know because we were rotating among all three countries.  We ended up Bishop semi-permanently simply because they had the smallest numbers.

There are no advantages to one country, all things equal.  If you'll stick around for awhile, you will find that each country has a few characters that you enjoy gaming with.  Gaming consists of doing whatever you enjoy (strat/furballing/whatever.)  

It would be difficult for me to give up the pleasure of my bishop friends (and a relief to give up my bishop idiots - both groups have sizable numbers) if suddenly the the Rooks or Knights found themselves consistently and grossly outnumbered, but I would do it in a heartbeat to enhance the gaming experience.  Been there, done it.

It is amusing to read posts like this.  There's very little that can occur in Aces High that I haven't seen, but it's always interesting to watch folks justify their reasons for inappropriate behavior.  Since you are a newcomer, I'll simply mark your reaction down to ignorance rather than anti-social behavior. :)

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Re: Re: Why i ended up a rook....
« Reply #59 on: August 10, 2004, 07:40:16 AM »
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Now that AH2 is here, 200:140:100 means very little (so far as strat goes) *IF* the 200 man country has the SE corner of Ndisles or Mindanao.  HTC has modified the strat to the extent that numbers don't always prevail (given the indicated positioning of the countries.)  Of course, in AH1, number were far more important.
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Huh?
What game you playing?
How was the strat modified to that extent?
Sure HTC changed the city a bit and made it alot harder for a small number of people to quickly capture a base.
But a horde usually brings an over kill of ord anyway. so for them thats not a problem.
Numbers are every bit as important in the steamroll.
And if they dont prevail its bacause  one or a combination of 3 things happened.
Poor planning,execution and/or someone ran around and killed all the barracks. And even then. If it was planned right That would be a mere speed bump.

Contrary to popular beleif. Rooks are not great planners.
They put up great numbers yes And some equally great missions as posted above. But the numbers are  the primary reason for much of their success as typically the large numbers more then make up for the shortcommings in planning.
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