New idea what do you ladies and gentlemen think.

[tkor]

Worth a try, HiTech, as mentioned earlier, if it doesn't work out you could undo it.

[nopoop]

Ok, gave it some more thought.

Restricting a players ability to fly is a bad idea IMO. Now lets take whats available now to keep outnumbered countries pilots from logging.

The more the merrier ingame is the goal.

I can only give myself as an example. I don't care if my country is outnumbered. I'll find a place to play.

I only log when DAR is disabled. DAR is a game killer for me, I don't care about numbers.

Now when your being hammered one of the first thing that goes is DAR.

Why not use your current thought of unbalanced numbers and apply it to DAR instead ??

If a countries numbers are low and reaches a certain point, make Dar for that country undestructable ??

Then you might be getting the snot beat out of you but you still can pick your spots ??

That doesn't penalize the country with numbers and gives the outnumbered a reason to stay around and fight'um.

[Delirium]

I think its a BAD idea, I'm willing to bet it will cost you customers. It will be an even worse implementation if you do not allow people to change countries on a whim.

Why not use the current ruleset to encourage balanced teams? For example, multiplying the perk bonus/cost, or even not allowing the side with overwealming numbers to fly lower ENY aircraft.

I had always hoped the squads themselves on each side would be responsible and mature enough to prevent this type of BS equalizer. Its too bad we need something from HTC to do something we should have been doing all along; treat each other with respect.

[TheFox]

Maybe this whole issue is self regulating anyway.

If people get fed up with being gand-banged etc., they will log off or switch country. There are some like me however, that actually like fighting against what might be considered overwhelming odds (it's a Brit thing) and find that far more interesting than the alternatives.

At the same time, those who are gang-banging will eventually get bored with it - and move on.

The other consideration might be that with 'equal' numbers, the chance of a reset (which to some people is the whole 'victory') will be reduced - and again reduce their interest.

If I remember correctly, Rooks were severely out-numberd for some time, yet now are the equal or even more. This change was achieved without any legislative involvement.

I guess my feelings are to leave well alone, unless of course you want to switch to a two country system (in line with most battles - Allies and Axis) - then we will have something to fight/argue about !!!!!!!

Regards

[Delirium]

Looks like Kweassa and I are on the same track, only he hit 'post' a little quicker than I did

[Jackal1]

Another thought. (Man! That`s 2 in one day. A new record)
  The sky must be falling or something, but I agree with poop. Take care of the dar porking and the rest will sort itself out.

[hitech]

Here is a spread sheet of what I am thinking adjust the
Player counts, and the Base
Percentage and mins per percentage values to play with effects.




HiTech

Spread Sheet

[sullie363]

Well this is going to sound strange but I'm a bish and I don't like this idea.  While it is frustrating at times to have to deal with the sometimes overwhelming numbers of the rooks, I don't like the idea of paying customers being restricted on their playing time.  I know I wouldn't want to be.  Even if it was just for a minute, people aren't paying for a waiting room.  Still, this leaves a problem with numbers.  

Possible Alternatives

Instead of doing all this stuff to existing players, why not just funnel all new accounts into the sides with the fewest subscriptions.  It may take time, both in skill development and simple number growth, but it doesn't step on anybody's ability to play.  

Or, further expand the perk incentives and deterrents.  When one side gets way more numbers, planes that wouldn't normally be perked magically cost 2 or 3.  This only applying to the most popular planes like the la7 and nik.   Perhaps it could also be possible for a normally perked plane to even become free when faced with a large opponent.  

Anyway, my thoughts.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by hitech
We typicly resist any change that forces people to different sides.We typicly are more inclined to giving incentives to changing sides  

I think this is forcing people.  Limiting playing time is not a good idea, IMO.  What would happened if you get killed trying to take off?  You have to wait and if it happens again, get pissed and log???

What if instead of limiting plaing time, you limit plane sets.  If a country has over - lets say - 10% no more 51s and LA7s.  Over 20%, no more spits, niks etc.  The planes and the % can be figured out after some analisys.  Also, you could do it by years.  Limmit the 1944 set then the 1943 etc.  

Who knows, we may see a rook hord coming down on us flying 202s and spit Is , LOL    

[rabbidrabbit]

I would  think increasing the benefits for being on a weaker side or minor perk price for higher end planes  on the over populated country would be better than enforcing a downtime for most of the reasons Jb pointed out.

[Japanx]

No way... what about being vulched???

If my country has more pilots but one of my bases is getting overCAPPED what i have to do?? cry as usual? NO

This is just the thing that we don't need. Anyways, would fly smarter that actually doing... BUT NO!

Greets.

[whels]

Originally posted by hitech
JB73: If eveyone would post thoughts like that I would be one happy camper.

As to the spawn camper, the other side of that, it would make spawn camping less profitible. So think it would even out, but you are correct it could be a problem.

As to the % was think your example would be about the top of no limit imposed.


HiTech

neat idea HT.  can  u maybe set the time limits to certain bases?
as example above the rooks have a 20.8% advantage over knits but not bish. so maybe tie the reup timer to only bases along the
Knit Rook border, and allow unlimited ups @ the Bish Rook border.

they wouldnt log off, just shift the fight else where.

whels

[Soda]

It's not just numbers inbalance, it can also be how those numbers end up getting used (overwhelming one guy).  The issue is the MA is often pretty dynamic, even on Sundays with RJO, the numbers are usually only overwhelming for a short while (couple of hours) and then settle back out as entire squads of Rooks log-off, sometimes swinging back to someone else.  If you get people switching during times like that, they are locked into their new country (12 hour switch rule) and you might end up with swings back and forth moreso than what happens now.

I think something more subtle might even things up a bit more on the longer term picture... the perk thing could work.  A lot of people would put up with a short term perk cost for some of the better (non-currently-perked) rides, but long term they'd reconsider their situation.  Something along the lines of what Kweassa suggested.

Just my thoughts but it's great you opened this up for comment.

-Soda

[nopoop]

You have to find a way to reward the underdog not penalize the pilot from the country with the most pilots.

Perk plane cost, DAR ??????????????

[Ohio330]

Originally posted by nopoop
Ok, gave it some more thought.



Why not use your current thought of unbalanced numbers and apply it to DAR instead ??

If a countries numbers are low and reaches a certain point, make Dar for that country undestructable ??

Then you might be getting the snot beat out of you but you still can pick your spots ??

That doesn't penalize the country with numbers and gives the outnumbered a reason to stay around and fight'um.

  I think that's an excellent idea.  Add the perk incentive with that
and help the imbalance with superior planes.