Ted Sampley of Swift Boats sez....

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by MrLars
....well, he's onboard with the Swiftvets but it seems he likes to question and start false rumors about other peoples service.

If you guys believe him now, what about when he tried the same BS with GHWB? Are you going to belive Mr. Samply's contention that GHWB bailed out prematurley and left his crew to die as steadfastly as you belive his statements about John Kerry?

http://www.usvetdsp.com/story46.htm

Well this certainly proves that swift boat vets group is a Bush family front to attack Kerry. Thanks for the link lars!

[Sixpence]

President Bush: Flip-Flopper-In-Chief

July 7, 2004

From the beginning, George W. Bush has made his own credibility a central issue. On 10/11/00, then-Gov. Bush said: "I think credibility is important.It is going to be important for the president to be credible with Congress, important for the president to be credible with foreign nations." But President Bush's serial flip-flopping raises serious questions about whether Congress and foreign leaders can rely on what he says.

1. Social Security Surplus

BUSH PLEDGES NOT TO TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS... "We're going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus." [President Bush, 3/3/01]

...BUSH SPENDS SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS The New York Times reported that "the president's new budget uses Social Security surpluses to pay for other programs every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more than $1.4 trillion in Social Security funds to other purposes." [The New York Times, 2/6/02]

2. Patient's Right to Sue

GOVERNOR BUSH VETOES PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "Despite his campaign rhetoric in favor of a patients' bill of rights, Bush fought such a bill tooth and nail as Texas governor, vetoing a bill coauthored by Republican state Rep. John Smithee in 1995. He... constantly opposed a patient's right to sue an HMO over coverage denied that resulted in adverse health effects." [Salon, 2/7/01]

...CANDIDATE BUSH PRAISES TEXAS PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "We're one of the first states that said you can sue an HMO for denying you proper coverage... It's time for our nation to come together and do what's right for the people. And I think this is right for the people. You know, I support a national patients' bill of rights, Mr. Vice President. And I want all people covered. I don't want the law to supersede good law like we've got in Texas." [Governor Bush, 10/17/00]

...PRESIDENT BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION ARGUES AGAINST RIGHT TO SUE "To let two Texas consumers, Juan Davila and Ruby R. Calad, sue their managed-care companies for wrongful denials of medical benefits ‘would be to completely undermine' federal law regulating employee benefits, Assistant Solicitor General James A. Feldman said at oral argument March 23. Moreover, the administration's brief attacked the policy rationale for Texas's law, which is similar to statutes on the books in nine other states." [Washington Post, 4/5/04]

3. Tobacco Buyout

BUSH SUPPORTS CURRENT TOBACCO FARMERS' QUOTA SYSTEM... "They've got the quota system in place -- the allotment system -- and I don't think that needs to be changed." [President Bush, 5/04]

...BUSH ADMINISTRATION WILL SUPPORT FEDERAL BUYOUT OF TOBACCO QUOTAS "The administration is open to a buyout." [White House spokeswoman Jeanie Mamo, 6/18/04]

4. North Korea

BUSH WILL NOT OFFER NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM... "We developed a bold approach under which, if the North addressed our long-standing concerns, the United States was prepared to take important steps that would have significantly improved the lives of the North Korean people. Now that North Korea's covert nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are unable to pursue this approach." [President's Statement, 11/15/02]

...BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFERS NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM"Well, we will work to take steps to ease their political and economic isolation. So there would be -- what you would see would be some provisional or temporary proposals that would only lead to lasting benefit after North Korea dismantles its nuclear programs. So there would be some provisional or temporary efforts of that nature." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 6/23/04]

5. Abortion

BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE... "Bush said he...favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question." [The Nation, 6/15/00, quoting the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, 5/78]

...BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE "I am pro-life." [Governor Bush, 10/3/00]

6. OPEC

BUSH PROMISES TO FORCE OPEC TO LOWER PRICES... "What I think the president ought to do [when gas prices spike] is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots...And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price." [President Bush, 1/26/00]

...BUSH REFUSES TO LOBBY OPEC LEADERS With gas prices soaring in the United States at the beginning of 2004, the Miami Herald reported the president refused to "personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds." [Miami Herald, 4/1/04]

7. Iraq Funding

BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004... "We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04" [White House Budget Director Joshua Bolton, 2/2/04]

...BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 "I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops." [President Bush, Statement by President, 5/5/04]

8. Condoleeza Rice Testimony

BUSH SPOKESMAN SAYS RICE WON'T TESTIFY AS 'A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE'... "Again, this is not her personal preference; this goes back to a matter of principle. There is a separation of powers issue involved here. Historically, White House staffers do not testify before legislative bodies. So it's a matter of principle, not a matter of preference." [White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, 3/9/04]

...BUSH ORDERS RICE TO TESTIFY: "Today I have informed the Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United States that my National Security Advisor, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, will provide public testimony." [President Bush, 3/30/04]

9. Science

BUSH PLEDGES TO ISSUE REGULATIONS BASED ON SCIENCE..."I think we ought to have high standards set by agencies that rely upon science, not by what may feel good or what sounds good." [then-Governor George W. Bush, 1/15/00]

...BUSH ADMINISTRATION REGULATIONS IGNORE SCIENCE "60 leading scientists—including Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former federal agency directors and university chairs and presidents—issued a statement calling for regulatory and legislative action to restore scientific integrity to federal policymaking. According to the scientists, the Bush administration has, among other abuses, suppressed and distorted scientific analysis from federal agencies, and taken actions that have undermined the quality of scientific advisory panels." [Union of Concerned Scientists, 2/18/04]

10. Ahmed Chalabi

BUSH INVITES CHALABI TO STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS...President Bush also met with Chalabi during his brief trip to Iraq last Thanksgiving [White House Documents 1/20/04, 11/27/03]

...BUSH MILITARY ASSISTS IN RAID OF CHALABI'S HOUSE "U.S. soldiers raided the home of America's one-time ally Ahmad Chalabi on Thursday and seized documents and computers." [Washington Post, 5/20/04]

11. Department of Homeland Security

BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY..."So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY "So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people." [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]

12. Weapons of Mass Destruction

BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories...for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]

...BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons.And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]

[Sixpence]

13. Free Trade

BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE... "I believe strongly that if we promote trade, and when we promote trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue." [President Bush in Peru, 3/23/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE "In a decision largely driven by his political advisers, President Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his reelection." [Washington Post, 9/19/03]

14. Osama Bin Laden

BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]

...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA "I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]

15. The Environment

BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE... "[If elected], Governor Bush will work to...establish mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four main pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide." [Bush Environmental Plan, 9/29/00]

...BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE "I do not believe, however, that the government should impose on power plants mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide, which is not a 'pollutant' under the Clean Air Act." [President Bush, Letter to Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), 3/13/03]

16. WMD Commission

BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE... "The White House immediately turned aside the calls from Kay and many Democrats for an immediate outside investigation, seeking to head off any new wide-ranging election-year inquiry that might go beyond reports already being assembled by congressional committees and the Central Intelligence Agency." [NY Times, 1/29/04]

...BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE "Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, chaired by Governor and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence Silberman, to look at American intelligence capabilities, especially our intelligence about weapons of mass destruction." [President Bush, 2/6/04]

17. Creation of the 9/11 Commission

BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02]

18. Time Extension for 9/11 Commission

BUSH OPPOSES TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) have decided to oppose granting more time to an independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks." [Washington Post, 1/19/04]

...BUSH SUPPORTS TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION "The White House announced Wednesday its support for a request from the commission investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks for more time to complete its work." [CNN, 2/4/04]

19. One Hour Limit for 9/11 Commission Testimony

BUSH LIMITS TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF 9/11 COMMISSION TO ONE HOUR... "President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have placed strict limits on the private interviews they will grant to the federal commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, saying that they will meet only with the panel's top two officials and that Mr. Bush will submit to only a single hour of questioning, commission members said Wednesday." [NY Times, 2/26/04]

...BUSH SETS NO TIMELIMIT FOR TESTIMONY "The president's going to answer all of the questions they want to raise. Nobody's watching the clock." [White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 3/10/04]

20. Gay Marriage

BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE... "The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into." [Gov. George W. Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live, 2/15/00]

...BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE "Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife." [President Bush, 2/24/04]

21. Nation Building

BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]

...BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people." [President Bush, 3/6/03]

22. Saddam/al Qaeda Link

BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM... "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02]

...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11." [President Bush, 9/17/03]

23. U.N. Resolution

BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT... "No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam." [President Bush 3/6/03]

...BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE "At a National Security Council meeting convened at the White House at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw the resolution from consideration and prepared to deliver an address to the nation that had already been written." [Washington Post, 3/18/03]

24. Involvement in the Palestinian Conflict

BUSH OPPOSES SUMMITS... "Well, we've tried summits in the past, as you may remember. It wasn't all that long ago where a summit was called and nothing happened, and as a result we had significant intifada in the area." [President Bush, 04/05/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS SUMMITS "If a meeting advances progress toward two states living side by side in peace, I will strongly consider such a meeting. I'm committed to working toward peace in the Middle East." [President Bush, 5/23/03]

25. Campaign Finance

BUSH OPPOSES MCCAIN-FEINGOLD... "George W. Bush opposes McCain-Feingold...as an infringement on free expression." [Washington Post, 3/28/2000]

...BUSH SIGNS MCCAIN-FEINGOLD INTO LAW "[T]his bill improves the current system of financing for Federal campaigns, and therefore I have signed it into law." [President Bush, at the McCain-Feingold signing ceremony, 03/27/02]

[Ripsnort]

HAHAHA! Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia lie...you won't find this on prime time news

http://instapundit.com/archives/017139.php

NOTHING ON THE KERRY/CAMBODIA STORY in either the New York Times or the Washington Post this morning -- I just searched both sites. Even though the Kerry Campaign has now admitted that Kerry's oft-repeated stories about being in Cambodia on Christmas Day, 1968 aren't true. The Post did find the time to condemn the Swift Boat vets, though, without admitting that one of their charges has already been borne out.

Nice candidate you have there MrLars.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by rpm371
Rip, would you please explain the changes made to the bills between votes? You know...context.

I was just wondering if you even know the changes made between votes. I realise it's much easier for you to just cut and paste a smear campaign against Kerry while on Boeing's time.

LOL, you digested the information yet? I did, and was paid for it.

[Thorns]

Nice job Rip.  Well done.

Thorns

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Toad
Or should we decide based on what Bush has done/not done in the last 3+ years as POTUS and what Kerry has done for the last 20+ years as the Junior Senator from Massachusetts?

Or what he did running Texas

EDUCATION under George W. Bush:
Out of 50 states, TEXAS scored:

3rd from Last in High school completion. (2)
15th from Last in Teacher salaries when he became "Gov." (1)
13th from Last in Teacher salaries at beginning of 2nd term. (1)
From '89 to '99 average teacher salaries went DOWN 1.1%
        (in constant $'s) !
Dead Last in Teacher salary plus benefits. (1)
SAT (combined math & verbal scores ) (13):
Score of 995 =   7th from Last in 1996
Score of 995 =   6th from Last in 1997
Score of 995 =   7th from Last in 1998
        FAMILY VALUES under George W. Bush:
              Out of 50 states, TEXAS rates:

Dead Last in # of poorest counties in country. (3)
2nd from Last in # of children living in poverty. (3)
2nd from Last in # of children without health insurance. (3)
Highest number of people stripped of Medicare benefits (10)
Dead Last in % of poor working parents without insurance. (3)
2nd from Last in % of population without health insurance. (3)
6th from Last in Child support collections (3)
5th from Last in Teen Birth Rate. (4)
3rd from Last in Hunger Rate.
3rd from Last in Per capita funding for public health. (4)
4th from Last in Delivery of social services. (4)
6th from Last in # Mothers receiving prenatal care. (9)

        CULTURE under George W. Bush:
        Out of 50 states, TEXAS rates:
3rd from Last in Quality of Life in Texas
        (Spending for parks and recreation) (7)
3rd from Last in Spending for the arts. (7)
5th from Last in Public libraries and branches. (8)
3rd from Last in Affordable Housing (12)
7th from Last in Home ownership (2)
Dead Last (i.e. highest) homes insurance rates in the nation (11)
4th from Last in Spending for police protection(12)
3rd from Last in Quality of place to raise children. (9)
  (was 22nd from Last BEFORE Bush!)
Teen drug use - down nationally, but up 30% in Texas. (5)
Teen smoking - down nationally, NOT in Texas (5)
Dead Last (i.e. highest) # of executions (per capita) (11)
        ENVIRONMENT under George W. Bush:
        Out of 50 states, TEXAS rates:

Dead Last in # of Smog days.
Dead Last in Pollution released by manufacturing plants. (6)
Dead Last in Pollution by industrial plants.
        in violation of Clean Air Act. (6)
Dead Last in Greenhouse gas emissions. (6)
2nd from Last in Spending for the environment. (7)
3rd from Last in Spending for parks and recreation. (7)
5th from Last in Water Resources Protection.

God bless you, TEXAS, if YOU were happy
with such a governor.  The rest of the country
would have been eternally grateful to you
for keeping him there !


        Sources:        
(1) National Education Agency.
(2) U.S. Department of Education Office
        of Educational Research and Development.
(3) U.S. Bureau of Census, Current Populations Trends.
(4) U.S. Dept. Health and Human Services:
        National Center for Health Statistics.
(5) 1998 Texas School Survey of Substance:
        Use Among Students: Grades 7-12, Texas.
        Commission on Alcohol and Drug Abuse.
(6) U.S. EPA, Office of Pollution and Prevention .
(7) Texas Observer.
(8) Statistical Rankings by State.
(9) Children's Rights Council.
(10) Families USA
(11) National Association of Insurance Commissioners
(12) U.S. Bureau of Census, State Government Finances 1998
(13) College Examination Board

[demaw1]

Mrlars.......bush and sampley


    I believe this should be answered, after all I am one who truthfully says, liberials dont answer questions,and only a very small percentage of you have.

   Ted samplys name doesnt ring a bell, nor have I read a lot about this subject as I have others.

  I can see a lot of holes in the article, and if gwb was running for president you bet I would research it.

  Can we assume that gwb didnt wake up and say ..today I want to bail out ..so then, the quote,  bushes plane only one that didnt come back means what? He shot his own plane up with his 45?

  Parachutes fail today even,so are any of you going to say that is impossible?  I glean from the article that they were not flying high ,in which case avengers did not fly tight formation as they made a great slow target. Standard doctrine...vt 51 flew or only wanted to fly missions close to water...they flew when and where they were told,end of story.

  The avenger not like other bombers, pilots radio contact almost only way to know about 2 crewmen. RO/N and gunner had eye to eye contact yes. Story in 1982 only slightly differed,writer left that out ,nah not important 2 words.Yes turret gunner saw pilot of trailing plane well,but that is all he saw.

 There was not an[ absolute] Moral obligation, to put any plane in water. How would the finback know what happened over target?
 Come on guys, youve flown enough in here, not real but not bad, I have had my 26 torn up and made it back,other times  I have 1 good hit and plane starts slow dive to right and I cant do anything about it.

   Know one knows what happened, but for sure he was hit hard enough to go down,might have know from location of hit they were dead,pilot can not get to 2 crewmen in avenger.If engine on fire duh it could have exploded any time . Other than that I would have to do a lot of reading, and he isnt running for president.

   Now of the many questions I have asked with out answers Ill try an easy one.  
 1   Who was president in dec. of 68 ?
 2    How could kerry have been in Cambodia being shot at and be in a swift boat.  At that time period you did NOT go in to cambodia with very very noisy boat much less 3 or 4 of them,unless you wanted to commit sucide . Where are the other boat crews ,to as you say here,,to prove they were in cambodia ?

[rpm]

God bless you, TEXAS, if YOU were happy
with such a governor. The rest of the country
would have been eternally grateful to you
for keeping him there !

HEY! Don't blame Texas. The carpetbagger is from Connecticut. I voted for Ann Richards and Gary Mauro.

[demaw1]

SIXPENCE......
 
    GEES six everyone of those sources are really lefties. Oh well to each his own....want to answer the 2 questions or just talk about others that dont?

[midnight Target]

Kerry was either lying or mistaken about his location in Dec. 1968..... maybe.

Johnson was the President in dec. 1968.

Anything else I can help you with demaw1? It would seem you need answers to questions you should be able to answer yourself.

Now here's one or two for you.

1. If the "Christmas in Cambodia" story is untrue, does that call Kerry's entire tour in VN into question?
 
2. Do you have the same critereon for the Swifties? One lie and the whole book gets the boot?

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Do you have the same critereon for the Swifties? One lie and the whole book gets the boot?

That would depend on whether the authors wish to represent me in government.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by demaw1
SIXPENCE......
 
    GEES six everyone of those sources are really lefties. Oh well to each his own....want to answer the 2 questions or just talk about others that dont?

This is interesting..

"On Christmas in 1968, we were close [to Cambodia]. I don't know exactly where we were. I didn't have the chart. It was easy to get turned around with all the rivers around there. But I'll say this: We were the farthest inland that night. I know that for sure." - Jim Wasser (Kerry's 2nd in Command PCF-44)

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by GScholz
So when does the civil war start?

I wonder which side the us military will support...

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I wonder which side the us military will support...

Neither.  Most of the military will take off their uniforms and walk away.  Some smaller groups may remain organized but if there is no civilian leadership anymore.....no more miltary.