Hitech You're Killing the 339th Fighter Group!

[ghostdancer]

I believe that was the III/Jabostaffel that posted the pictures and organized the large scale JU87 and then B26 strikes. And I don't believe they are complaining here about possibly being denied a specific type of German plane to fly.

[Midnight]

I echo the original post. The 412th FS "Braunco Mustangs" has been a P-51 squad since its first day on April 12, 2001. We have also been rook the entire time.

If HTC implements this "disabled aircraft" feature, then the 412th is going to have to start jumping countries. This is going to become a real hassle for the squad because every time we log in we are going to have to figure out which country we are flying for at that particular time.

Someone posted about using the P-51B instead, well sorry, that's not a solution for the MA now that AHII gunnery is here. It's hard enough to get a kill with 6 guns, let alone 4.. not to mention the shorter ammo load to boot.

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Personally, I don't see how the P-51D should be in the same ENY class as the La7 anyway. It is hardly an easy plane to kill in, and is easily defeated if flown by an un-skilled pilot.

[X2Lee]

Originally posted by dracon


The P-51B is not an option.
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it may well have to be an option

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Midnight
Personally, I don't see how the P-51D should be in the same ENY class as the La7 anyway. It is hardly an easy plane to kill in, and is easily defeated if flown by an un-skilled pilot.

Simple, it is the second most used aircraft in AH right now, followed by the N1K2-J, followed by the Spitfire Mk IX.  If it sucked as bad as you're saying it would not be used that heavily.

[X2Lee]

when a wall of text is this big in a thread does it get read?
inquiring minds want to know....

Originally posted by ghostdancer
First off loyalty to a country is not just a Rook thing. I posted in other threads an analysis of all the squads (it took me a day to go through and check all of their flying stats) and the vast majority of squads only fly for one country.

As of the snapshot I took on 7/12/04 here is how the 341 actively flying squads break down.

82 - Bishop Dedicated - 24.0%
8 - Bishop Primary - 2.3%
96 - Knight Dedicated - 28.2%
16 - Knights Primary - 4.7%
91 - Rook Dedicated - 26.7%
31 - Rook Primary - 9.1%

As you see the Bishops and Knight Squads are in the main much, much more loyal to flying just for their team. You might find it silly but the vast majority don't and calling somebody irrational just because you don't agree with their point of view is not warranted. Also painting it as primarily a one country or the people on one country not getting it as the truth also is not correct.

Humans are social creatures and tend to look to groups or to form groups to form social dynamics. We do this all the times with fans for teams .. how much of a difference there is between Football team A and Football team B .. is debatable but you will still have people debate and show loyalty to it. If you changed the names from chess pieces to another thing .. wouldn't matter since people are more focused on interacting with their squad and the other people on their team.

There are some people who will switch and nobody condemns or questions that or calls it irrational. It is just that the vast majority don't and calling them irrational is unwarranted.

Second a massive influx of players from the Knights and Bishops did not happen and create this situation. The Rooks situation of being the low man on the totem started with the game. It got very back in 2001-2002 and through a number of factors the Rooks built up their player base and yes, some squads switched.

Even lets say that the massive groundswell did happen that a massive amount of squads and players switched to because the Rooks were massively outnumbered and they switched to help even things out.

Okay they switched from teams with larger numbers to even things out. They didn't care about a team loyalty they switched to balance numbers and too many of them switched causing Rooks to grow massive, no other factors besides that.

If they switched to balance numbers before then why are they not doing it now? You already stated that its irrational to show a team loyalty, by this I mean to a side, and that their is no cultural or community difference at all between sides. So if a larege influx of squads switched (which I don't believe is the case) to balance numbers (that being their only goal .. since Rooks were the smallest and why switch to the small team if they are actually only interested on being on the large team) they should be doing it now by your logic?

Next in the thread that HiTech started discussing options I posted screen shots of not one night but from a range of nights over 2+ week period sampling times from 9-9:30 to 10:30 ish. The Rooks have a massive advantage on sunday nights. They don't other nights and actually over the past week or so from 9:-11 EDT things have even out quite a bit. Although the Knights still seem to be more often fielding the least amount of numbers.

So we are roughly talking about 1 night a week where Rooks have a massive number advantage. Primarily do to the reason dracon states .. most of Rook squads have their squad nights sundays and I propose this is because taking sunday night and flying 3 hours doesn't interfere with RL things (wives and girlfriends don't object as much) as would trying to do that Friday night (quite a few Rook squads flyin in the SEA FSO's on friday) or Sunday night. Meaning sunday night is the most attractive.

Now other nights the Knights and Bishops have fielded in the 160s .. on tuesday at 10:38 it was B134, K166, R149.

http://www.dgideon.org/aceshigh/ahss27.png

On sunday they don't turn out the pilots at all they do on the other nights. And some squads have even posted that they now avoid sunday nights .. further reducing their numbers. It is not just a Rook thing .. Rooks should try to branch out to fly other nights as their squad nights. However, other squads should work at turning out their players to bolster their numbers more on sunday nights. If the arena was 160, 160, 200 that is not that bad of a spread.

So implying it is only caused by those who fly Rooks is possibly simplistic outlook.

Also stating that only Rooks have been objecting to HiTech ideas is your perception on things. Quite a few from all countries were stating or not liking HiTech first idea about a time delay. Most, from all sides seem to be on board about the disabling better rides as the numbers get out of balance .. which should only affect sundays in a extreme way .. call sunday FM2 sunday.

Dracon was not stating a country loyalty but a ride loyalty. And what he is worried about is the 12 hour limit rule. They want to fly P51Ds which are 6 ENY. He says they are willing to switch but what he is worried about is switching to a country that has the P51D (the country with say the least pilots on sunday) and then say they gain pilots and become the second most .. enough pilots to have the P51D shut off there also .. and then they are locked into that second country that can't fly P51Ds.

Not the fact that they have to switch.

All I can say is that will be the case with all the top planes .. and which is why I suggested the P51B.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by X2Lee
when a wall of text is this big in a thread does it get read?
inquiring minds want to know....

No.  I skipped over that post.  I'd read it if it were something I really was interested in, or if one of the HTC staff had posted it.

[X2Lee]

HARRRRRRRRRRR   I would have never thought the mustangs would have whined!

Originally posted by Midnight
I echo the original post. The 412th FS "Braunco Mustangs" has been a P-51 squad since its first day on April 12, 2001. We have also been rook the entire time.

If HTC implements this "disabled aircraft" feature, then the 412th is going to have to start jumping countries. This is going to become a real hassle for the squad because every time we log in we are going to have to figure out which country we are flying for at that particular time.

Someone posted about using the P-51B instead, well sorry, that's not a solution for the MA now that AHII gunnery is here. It's hard enough to get a kill with 6 guns, let alone 4.. not to mention the shorter ammo load to boot.

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Personally, I don't see how the P-51D should be in the same ENY class as the La7 anyway. It is hardly an easy plane to kill in, and is easily defeated if flown by an un-skilled pilot.

[Hyrax81st]

Originally posted by ghostdancer
Rooks turnout on sunday because it tends to fit their schedule the best over the weekend (not interfere with doing things with family and friends on friday and saturday night). Which is a major factor of why you see that night as why so many Rook squads have it as their official squad night.

Great point. Is this because more Rooks are married adults with jobs and children ? Maybe Rooks dominate due to maturity more than numbers? Maybe it's because we have more beards and white hair in our country ?

[SunKing]

You can survive in the MA flying lesser than the best aircraft. You've just gotta try. I'd take the hurri over the pony anyday if you are gonna use gunnery as an excuse.

[Scrap]

Originally posted by wrag
I generally fly 109's

are the 109's gonna be withheld????

109g10's or all 109's?

But then I like the 109g2, and the g6 and the f and even sometimes the e hehe ........... hmmmmmmmm

Don't think all of em would be withheld?

Why fly pony d with that crappy eny?  pony b better at acm anyway?

WAIT IS HTC GONNA TAKE MY 109????????????  


AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH HH

hmmmmm well niki, spit, p38, hmmmmm, hmmm oh well

They can NEVAR take my 109F!!!!  Durn thing has an ENY of like 43

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by 4ACES
HiTech needs to concentrate on fixing this --- game.... the terrain is a frame rate sucking pos.... (Reminds me of AW Big Pac over Hawaii)  worry about the other later!!!

Maybe you need to get a better system?



ack-ack

[Shane]

Originally posted by Midnight
Someone posted about using the P-51B instead, well sorry, that's not a solution for the MA now that AHII gunnery is here. It's hard enough to get a kill with 6 guns, let alone 4.. not to mention the shorter ammo load to boot.

so it's not about "realism" and "tactics" after all, is it?

i can't imagine the real squads you guys base yourselves upon (those that do, anyway) refusing to fly until they received their improved models....

[Gloves]

Originally posted by Midnight


Someone posted about using the P-51B instead, well sorry, that's not a solution for the MA now that AHII gunnery is here. It's hard enough to get a kill with 6 guns, let alone 4.. not to mention the shorter ammo load to boot.

 

Using this logic, you may want to consider the P-47.  By this logic, the extra 2 guns may make kills easier and it has a higher ammo load.  

When I fly, I usually use the FM2.  It does fine with only 4 guns.

Glove

[mechanic]

this is a stupid rule

simple as that

i fly for knights because i know all the guys on knights (and they are the coolest)

so what if the numbers are unfair? wars are not meant to be fair. deal with whatever comes your way, and for chists sake stop all this whoopee whining and get in a plane so you can die or kill in an honourable fashion. you guys in favour of this retarded rule should A: find a squad that only flies for one country  B: stop ruining others fun with silly reasons why we should all 'chop and change'   and c: fight the good fight for your 'country' be it to certain victory or certain death!!

is this moaning wussy attitude what made the world free today?

damn!

its making me angry to think that so many of you dont role play your game into believing that your country is in dire peril.
this arcade attitude is what is ruining the game in the first place.

grow some hair on your nackers and stop being little pansy handed girls (no offence any females reading this, you probably have more balls than some of these lot anyhow)

Batfink  

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by mechanic

its making me angry to think that so many of you dopnt role play your game into believing that your country is in dire peril.

It's making me laugh that you do.


(to each his own I suppose)

-Sik

PS: lightning bolt! lightning bolt!