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« Reply #75 on: August 13, 2004, 05:45:52 PM »
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so it's not about "realism" and "tactics" after all, is it?


No kidding.  Talk about gutless.  Seems like this attitude is the way to show the least respect for the RL squad they are supposedly representing.

Not surprised to see the overlap between this crowd and the d1.0k sniperz from AH1.

Hint: make it a squad policy to join the lowest numbered team on squad night, whatever it is.  Then it'll be easy for your squadmates to join the right country.  If you don't find the CO when you join, tune your radio to him and ask which country the squad is fighting for this evening.  Not too difficult folks.

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« Reply #76 on: August 13, 2004, 05:49:38 PM »
It's making Sik laugh, but it's kinda creaping me out.

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« Reply #77 on: August 13, 2004, 06:05:48 PM »
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Originally posted by mechanic
its making me angry to think that so many of you dont role play your game into believing that your country is in dire peril.
this arcade attitude is what is ruining the game in the first place.


This is probably one of those posts where the poster will come back and apologize for being drunk or high or married or whatever.

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« Reply #78 on: August 13, 2004, 06:11:20 PM »
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wars are not meant to be fair.


Then why the whining because you have to fly crappy planes?
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« Reply #79 on: August 13, 2004, 06:12:40 PM »
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it may well have to be an option


agree, if you cannot hit anything with 4 guns, why should you hit with 6?

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« Reply #80 on: August 13, 2004, 06:25:38 PM »
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wars are not meant to be fair.


Then why the whining because you have to fly crappy planes?


dont think he was complaining about flying crappy planes. I know what he flies 99 percent of the time. It's not likeley it will ever be on the new hitlist for un balanced side.

I think he just thinks its a dumb thing ;)

Course I could be wrong...Maybe:aok
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« Reply #81 on: August 13, 2004, 06:26:09 PM »
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-Sik

PS: lightning bolt! lightning bolt!


LOL Sikboy!


It’s so ridiculous to me that I can't even tell who's trolling and who's serious.

Ahh, my innocent bride, ravaged at the hands of the invading Rook horde :mad:  My puppy dog Spot, kicked with a hobnailed boot as he fought to protect her. Aunt Beru! Uncle Owen! Arrrrgh! ROOOKS WILL DIE  :mad:

Sorry, brussels sprouts here I guess.

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« Reply #82 on: August 13, 2004, 06:33:13 PM »
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wars are not meant to be fair.


True, but games have to be.

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« Reply #83 on: August 13, 2004, 06:36:33 PM »
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very well stated... i agree with what i have quoted.


Yea, he hit the nail on the head, well put Jackal.
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« Reply #84 on: August 13, 2004, 06:51:21 PM »
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Aunt Beru! Uncle Owen! Arrrrgh!


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« Reply #85 on: August 13, 2004, 07:27:39 PM »
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I don't care what your reasons are. The fact is HT implemented this to force you to decide between you ride loyalty and/or side loyalty. He did it for a reason, to balance the numbers which is something a good number of folks in this community have called for over the years. If folks can't take it upon themselves to balance the arena then it forces HT to act.

HT did this to encourage folks to switch sides and balance the numbers. The fact some of you are so set against just high lights the problem of how ridiculous side loyalty is. Most of the ones complaining are rooks. It just happens they usually enjoy close to a 100 person advantage over the other 2 sides. If the situation were reversed you and your squad wouldn’t have zip to say about it. When rooks were down folks switched sides on their own. That’s not happening now.


We act as if this a new debate.  This same debate took place  in Air Warrior and that was how many years ago?

This and the debate about field capture, auger dweebs, etc. The two longest running debates.

In AW originally sides were limited by a numbers cap.... because an arena could only hold so many flyers.  So at times folks couldn't fly in the country they wanted.  

Also when a new account joined Air Warrior it  used to default to Cz I think.  So people postulated that caused lopsided numbers.

Different countries had their time when they were on top for months on end and then things just kind of shifted.  Some squads, most notably IAF used to change countries each new camp.  (The MOL do something similar now in AH).  And of course there were always stateless beings that flew wherever they felt would even the numbers.  

My point in this senseless ramble about AW is that no one corporately took any action to "fix" the problem.  Folks just rolled with it.

The design of AH is what makes the numbers game have a bigger impact.  Design a game where the winning country reaps perkies.. you built in the problem right there.  But still how long has AH been going and the numbers issue while decried, has always existed.  Certainly recent history would have the Rooks with more numbers... but think back 18 months... or more... and Rooks were the doormat and Bish were the most numerous.  It just is kind of cyclic.  

So suddenly this must be fixed because the drop in flyers is because of numbers imbalance?  Of course I don't have HT's access to data, however, I would suggest the drop in numbers is more closely linked to AH2 and designing a game whose system requirements exceed the systems that a significant number of customers owned.  I have a list of my squadmates that just couldn't drop the money to upgrade to stay in the game.  Not to say they won't in the future but at the drop of a hat, it wasn't possible.  It was HT's marketing decision, he made it, he lives with it.  But I don't think the issue needs to be disquised as a numbers problem.

That is my opinion on the issue....

My opinion on your comments.  Why do you use terms like rediculous?  Why do you feel the need to denigrate another person's opinion?  I don't think he is being unreasonable to state his case why he doesn't want to see a plane limit.  He stated why  he feels that way and stated why he wants to remain in one country.  Your observation that HT has decided upon a course of action is spot on... but the rest of it?


If folks can't take it upon themselves to balance the arena then it forces HT to act.

HT is forced to do nothing.  If he was he would fix the bogus Strat problems etc. on the maps.  HT has made a decision ( I believe, but HT can speak for himself)  to adjust the design of the game, because the current design lends itself to a development of game play which he believes is undesirable based upon customer comments.  If the change is well received then things get better.... if the changes are not well received, perhaps he loses more paying customers.  His product, he can market it how he likes.  But I certainly think his customers have every right to explain how they feel (on either side of the issue) and shouldn't be told their position is rediculous... or actually be told it is their fault that a game design problem exists.

Finally, the three country design was  designed to take into account imbalances.  It allows the two weaker countries to adjust their effort as required to balance against the strongest.  If that isn't happening, shame on the two weaker countries... at any point.  People can read the roster and see who has what numbers when and adjust accordingly.  (happened in AW all the time)  I personally don't think limiting plane selection is the answer.  We already allow cheaper perk rides for the countries with fewer flyers.  What is next?  Only 50% gas for the largest country?  

So my bottom line.  I fly one country.... did in AW... here in AH... I fly it when it is the doormat... I fly when it has the numbers.  Take the ups and downs.

Now if you would like to debate pork and auger dweebs... I would be more than willing to expound about how I feel every ride ought to be perked or a personal limit placed on the number of each type of airplane one can lose in a 24 hour period.  But we need to start another thread for that one.
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« Reply #86 on: August 13, 2004, 07:30:20 PM »
Shane since you bring up "realism" then let me ask you a question.  Just how many of these real squadrons had upgraded birds as you say then switched all of their birds back to old ones the next day?

I can see having x amout of birds go down in combat or for maintenance and back filling, but not every last bird.  You also had many bases that had a mixed amount of birds.  Typically these were only done during transition stages from one bird to the next.  There were some which had B models and D models stationed at the same base on a regular basis too.  Either way you just don't dump a whole squadron of birds one day to the next then go back a few days later.

I could see if they had a dynamic way of changing each sides values for target destruction.  But even then that has it's issues.  Though one side may have more folks than the other it doesn't mean 2 sides aren't primarily attacking the larger country.  Which if and when that is the case then technically the larger country is actually outnumbered when you combine the other two attacking it together.   So when this happens who should be limited?

 At current stages of the game this can't and probably wont' ever be fixed.  Unless HT devises a way to account for the amount of players per each side, where they are located in comparison to their enemies (by sectors) and then is able to have a dynamic code that can take all of this into account and actually decide who is really outnumbered and adjust accordingly, then it will always be a matter of what does cover of the book say not what is actually inside.

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« Reply #87 on: August 13, 2004, 07:36:52 PM »
Soup...

Nah, AW put newbies in randomly, just like AH does. One difference between this and AW is that in AW the arena limits were set at 250. Additionally, there were zone limits, which limited the total number of planes that could fly from given field.
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« Reply #88 on: August 13, 2004, 07:40:25 PM »
You people make me laugh. :)
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« Reply #89 on: August 13, 2004, 07:44:12 PM »
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ive not said anything about my squad and sundays. Sure most of them dont play, having work in the morning, or mainly because they've played all day but......

i play on sundays till about 3am, just when rooks start getting there stupid idea of "fun" into action, but then, like bullies at school, you never fight a even match do you........


So the Bish and Knights lack the organization, squads, desire, etc. to organize on their own to counter a Rook Sunday night?

:(

And that is somehow the fault of the Rooks?

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