Hitech You're Killing the 339th Fighter Group!

[ramzey]

Originally posted by B17Skull12
personally i dont see the difference between al the sides.

how big is your squad?

[Wotan]

Originally posted by jdpete75
I hope you are a psychologist wotan, to be telling people how they should feel about thier team.  If not you need to STFU.  The lack of loyalty is probably what gets teams (or lack therof) in trouble with players jumping ship.  YOu also need to learn to read,  there is a reason we dont want to switch sides and it was clearly stated above.  Now if you had learned your 3 Rs in school you also would have been able to read the purpose to this thread.  If you need it, we could probably put the very first post on a .wav file for you to listen to, or maybe you can just sound it out yourself. whatever

Otherwise you need to screw off and get off Dracons back for bringing up a legitimate complaint we have for the new system that basicaly rewards whining, dweebery, and lack of teamwork.  And punishes working together for a common goal ie: resets.

I don't care what your reasons are. The fact is HT implemented this to force you to decide between you ride loyalty and/or side loyalty. He did it for a reason, to balance the numbers which is something a good number of folks in this community have called for over the years. If folks can't take it upon themselves to balance the arena then it forces HT to act.

HT did this to encourage folks to switch sides and balance the numbers. The fact some of you are so set against just high lights the problem of how ridiculous side loyalty is. Most of the ones complaining are rooks. It just happens they usually enjoy close to a 100 person advantage over the other 2 sides. If the situation were reversed you and your squad wouldn’t have zip to say about it. When rooks were down folks switched sides on their own. That’s not happening now.

If Dracon just wanted to hear from HT he should give him a call or email him. But he posted on an open forum and whether he likes it or not people with differing views are going to reply.

People have left AH because of the disparity in numbers. They refuse to join the horde just like some refuse to fly with out it. In the long term it’s in HT's interest to have balanced and competitive sides rather then one horde rolling through the arena night after night.

AH used to be a bout Air combat, the resets and base capture just gave you something to fight over.  Rather then fight some find safety in the herd. This hurts game play and impacts everyone.

I didn’t say I agreed with HT’s decision, but that’s not the point. HT had to do something because the players would not take care of it themselves.

[Furious]

Originally posted by jdpete75
I...the new system that basicaly rewards whining, dweebery, and lack of teamwork.  And punishes working together for a common goal ie: resets.

panties.  bunch.

[Wilbus]

Been inactive for some weeks now, could somebody point me to a thread where Hitech talks about this or explain a bit more in depth them selves?

[moot]

surely you found it, but just in case
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=126649

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by jdpete75
I hope you are a psychologist wotan, to be telling people how they should feel about thier team.  If not you need to STFU.  The lack of loyalty is probably what gets teams (or lack therof) in trouble with players jumping ship.  YOu also need to learn to read,  there is a reason we dont want to switch sides and it was clearly stated above.  Now if you had learned your 3 Rs in school you also would have been able to read the purpose to this thread.  If you need it, we could probably put the very first post on a .wav file for you to listen to, or maybe you can just sound it out yourself. whatever

Otherwise you need to screw off and get off Dracons back for bringing up a legitimate complaint we have for the new system that basicaly rewards whining, dweebery, and lack of teamwork.  And punishes working together for a common goal ie: resets.

I think it's a rather good system but then I'm not a Runstang driver.  Nor do I think it punishes team work in anyway and it looks like it might just be a feasable answer to the occasional imbalance caused by the lopsided numbers.

And for the loyalty thing, I kind of think Wotan is right.  I might fly as a Knight but that's just because that's where my squadron is.  My loyalty belongs to Riddle's Raiders.


ack-ack
479th FG - Riddle's Raiders

[Murdr]

Originally posted by dracon
Limiting our ride because of numbers puts us out of business.  Our squad night is Sunday at 9PM EDT.

Umm. So change your squad night

It's not that we can't fly other planes we DON'T WANT TO FLY OTHER PLANES!  We can't even be sure if we switch countries the P-51 will be there or stay there during the squad night without switching countries multiple times.

The P-51B is like 35 ENY.  No doubt the numbers would really have to be out of wack to disable that.   If the numbers are that out of wack to disable 51s, guess what?  That means there are a couple hundred other people being "put out of business" because there is no recreation value in playing when one country outnumbers the other two combined.  Though I can see by your post, you could give a watermelon about what other paying customers expect for their service, as long as you can do everything you want, when, where, and how you desire.

It is totally unfair to ask a squadron CO to Hopscotch his squadron from country to country each time they log on in search of their squadron-specific rides!

Good thing nobody asked a squadron Co to do that.

[Schutt]

So is there a new rule in effect now or not?

[beet1e]

Dracon - as you mentioned the word "historical" in your original post, you surely know that historically, the RL pilots of WW2 flew what they were told to fly, out of a selection of planes that were available at the time. Why not learn some different planes? Being a PonyDweeb is bad enough, but being a "Waaaah - I want my pony" whiner is even worse. I used to fly ponies in WB from time to time - even flew them here when I was learning the game parameters. Easy plane, but I wanted a challenge.

Try something new!

[Murdr]

Originally posted by jdpete75
Otherwise you need to screw off and get off Dracons back for bringing up a legitimate complaint we have for the new system that basicaly rewards whining, dweebery, and lack of teamwork.  And punishes working together for a common goal ie: resets.

This may surprise you, but Aces High isnt a strategy war game that happens to have airplanes.  It is an Air Combat Sim supported by a strategic enviroment.  As such, many people expect to log on and find Air Combat.  Teamwork is part of the enjoyment.  Teamwork however does not nessecerly mean making an institution out of mobilizing a majority of a country to be online at the same time to deny the other 60% of subscribership their service of MMOL Air Combat.  

Discussions have been going on for a very long time here asking the player base to step up and take care of the problem.  Unfortunately too many people showed the same stubborness that is displayed in this thread.  So now HTC has decided to step in.  If you dont want HTC to be setting new rules, then mabey some of you should pay a little more attention to the concerns of the rest of the player base before it comes to that.

[Murdr]

Originally posted by Schutt
So is there a new rule in effect now or not?

No, probably slated for a future patch.

[Redd]

Originally posted by beet1e
Dracon - as you mentioned the word "historical" in your original post, you surely know that historically, the RL pilots of WW2 flew what they were told to fly, out of a selection of planes that were available at the time. Why not learn some different planes? Being a PonyDweeb is bad enough, but being a "Waaaah - I want my pony" whiner is even worse. I used to fly ponies in WB from time to time - even flew them here when I was learning the game parameters. Easy plane, but I wanted a challenge.

Try something new!

It's worse than that Beet1e  - it's waaa I want my D pony , don't make me go up in a B.



Don't think these guy's would have adapted too well to the RPS. I was in VF-17 when it was introduced , and we weren't that excited , but we jumped in f4-f's for a few days and it wasn't too bad ,  kinda fun actually.  Certainly didn't stamp our little feet and close our accounts , well I guess I did close it eventually  - but I went quietly  

[BUG_EAF322]

it's a whaa i can't fly to me

[Wotan]

Originally posted by Schutt
So is there a new rule in effect now or not?

We are going with a system based on the ENY value using the same formula as the time system uses.

As the number of player increases on a side planes with an ENY value less then the "balance output" will be disabled.


HiTech

Simple question HT. Are you saying that you have definitely decided to procede with this?

 Jackal1

Yes Jackal1

HiTech

Its not yet in affect but it appears to what HTC has settled upon as a solution to side number imbalance.

I have never been one to agree that folks should have their choice ride withheld from them. I never supported an rps. I have supported the perk system but I believe that folks still have an opportunity to fly them. The thing with perks is that there are just some planes (262 etc) that would just upset the balance in the main. Absent an rps and not having the opportunity to fly a 262 at all the perk system is a fair compromise.

So while I completely disagree with HTC’s solution here I do think that something needed to be done. Without anything thing better offered I am "ok with it". I certainly don’t think its the end of the world.

I think the problem of the numbers imbalance is a direct relation to the type of game play we see in the main. My solution would be to re-structure game play away from field capture as a reset trigger to something else. There have been 1000 suggestions on how to do this so there's no need to revisit this. HT went for the easier fix which is probably a better business decision. To much change upsets the herd

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Wotan
The side you happen to fly on isn’t your team. People switch sides all the time as is.

  TO some of us it is our team. Some may change sides, but we know who our team consists of. It`s those of us who have flew together for years on the same side.

Switching sides solves that. To claim "I will quit before I switch" or "Rook till I die" is stupid beyond belief.

  I disagree and I think your views and conclusions concerning how someone else views/plays the game is of little value itself.

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See what the silly "side loyalty" has resulted in?

  Yes, it has given the game a solid base from which to work.