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« Reply #60 on: August 27, 2004, 11:27:09 AM »
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WOW!  bigger than one of our ski resorts... that is impressive!   allmost the population of one of our cities too I bet.

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The population of NZ is slightly less than CO. Given that NZ and CO are of similar size, this means that the population density of these two places is roughly the same. Total population of NZ is on a par with the population of America's second largest city, Los Angeles.

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« Reply #61 on: August 27, 2004, 01:22:40 PM »
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The population of NZ is slightly less than CO. Given that NZ and CO are of similar size, this means that the population density of these two places is roughly the same. Total population of NZ is on a par with the population of America's second largest city, Los Angeles.


True, but we get over 22 million visitors to the state annually compared with NZ's 1.6 million. We also have some 40,000 immigrants moving to the state on a yearly basis (these are actual foreign immigrants, not folks moving from another state). We have about 41.5 folks per sq. mile tho that figure is rather misleading since we have 75% of all land over 10,000' in the USA so most folks are concentrated on the eastern slope of the Rockies (what we call the Front Range). Roughly 4.2 million in the state.

The point? It's not really comparing apples and apples. Like some of the places in NZ once you get away from the population centers it is pretty wild country. I live in a town of 2000 at 9k' surrounded by mountains. You can walk to the west of us and not hit a phone for a week.

Owning weapons here is part of the culture and something I'm happy to live with. We have a law here called the "Make My Day" law--a tribute to Clint Eastwood's depiction of the "Dirty Harry" character. If a unwanted person passes your threshold uninvited for whatever reason, you are then legally free to take him out.

Guess what? Crimes of burglary went down by 35% the next year. An additional 25% by the next year. A crime must be committed here for the cops to come. By then it is too late. I'd rather the proactive defense than the submissive any day.

One cannot rely on their Gov't to protect them. And that's as it should be (tho Bush thinks differently). You might not understand it but there it is.

An interesting website:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_cap

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« Reply #62 on: August 27, 2004, 01:53:01 PM »
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True, but we get over 22 million visitors to the state annually compared with NZ's 1.6 million. We also have some 40,000 immigrants moving to the state on a yearly basis (these are actual foreign immigrants, not folks moving from another state). We have about 41.5 folks per sq. mile tho that figure is rather misleading since we have 75% of all land over 10,000' in the USA so most folks are concentrated on the eastern slope of the Rockies (what we call the Front Range). Roughly 4.2 million in the state.

The point? It's not really comparing apples and apples.
I agree. I wasn't drawing a comparison, I was merely describing the demographics of New Zealand in terms that Lazs would understand.

Horn, are you anywhere near the Three Sisters Wilderness area? I've been up there. :aok

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« Reply #63 on: August 27, 2004, 02:04:23 PM »
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Horn, are you anywhere near the Three Sisters Wilderness area? I've been up there. :aok


No, isn't that in Oregon?

I'm dead center in the middle of Colorado. Next to the "real" South Park. :)

http://www.vtinet.com/14ernet/buena/buena.htm

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« Reply #64 on: August 27, 2004, 02:23:41 PM »
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No, isn't that in Oregon?
Doh!  You're right - Oregon. I spent a couple of months working for AMS in Golden - right off Exit 263 of I70, just before it starts uphill.

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« Reply #65 on: August 27, 2004, 02:36:30 PM »
Interesting site horn...  note the burglaries per capita.   Beetle thinks I am paranoid and that he is much safer in england?  If I lived in new zealand ... I might want a gun to fend off the more than double the burglars of the United states per capita...

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 Map & Graph: Crime: Burglaries (per capita) (Top 100 Countries)
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 Country Description Amount
1. Australia 22.13 per 1000 people  
2. Dominica 18.62 per 1000 people  
3. Denmark 18.49 per 1000 people  
4. Finland 16.87 per 1000 people  
5. New Zealand 16.62 per 1000 people  
6. Estonia 16.52 per 1000 people  
7. United Kingdom 13.91 per 1000 people  
8. Poland 9.44 per 1000 people  
9. South Africa 9.22 per 1000 people  
10. Canada 9.11 per 1000 people  
11. Iceland 8.57 per 1000 people  
12. Montserrat 8.56 per 1000 people  
13. Switzerland 8.25 per 1000 people  
14. Slovenia 8.24 per 1000 people  
15. Czech Republic 7.24 per 1000 people  
16. United States 7.23 per 1000 people  
17. Hungary 7.13 per 1000 people  
18. France 6.16 per 1000 people  
19. Ireland 5.87 per 1000 people  
20. Netherlands 5.64 per 1000 people  
21. Bulgaria 5.23 per 1000 people  
22. Slovakia 4.69 per 1000 people  
23. Portugal 4.68 per 1000 people  
24. Zimbabwe 4.39 per 1000 people  
25. Latvia 4.20 per 1000 people

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« Reply #66 on: August 27, 2004, 03:13:44 PM »
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Beetle thinks I am paranoid and that he is much safer in england?  
Well, let me remind you of what you said when you visited London, unarmed:
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A fellow flight sim guy took me to a bar in a seedy part of london that was supposedly risky.. I felt about in as much danger as I would at a church bingo nite...
You said it in this thread. And yet, within the security of your hovel, you feel the need to sleep with a loaded .45 by the bed.

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« Reply #67 on: August 27, 2004, 03:24:27 PM »
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« Reply #68 on: August 27, 2004, 04:29:50 PM »
gixer... so you live in "fear" then?

no, of course not.   seatbelts and helmets are just safety gear that you wear just in case...  just like firearms are to me and most sensible students of human nature.   I no more expect to need a firearmn than I expect to need a seatbelt or helmet or safety glasses or steel toed boots... but.... It should be my choice and not the governments.  

beetle... my comment about london  meant that the guys there just didn't SEEM to be very tough to me... the accent to me is kinda funny and non threatening.   I am sure that if I lived there and didn't die of depression from the weather and filth I would become more cautious.

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« Reply #69 on: August 27, 2004, 04:36:01 PM »
Oh.. and according to the site... this is the total for all crimes per capita.. new zealand and united kingdom lead the U.S. by a sustantial amount.  the U.S. is more like canada and the netherlands... the rate doesn't really drop off till you get to a country where everyone is armed like switzerland.

   Dominica   112.79 per 1000 people   
2.   New Zealand   108.12 per 1000 people   
3.   Finland   102.15 per 1000 people   
4.   Denmark   93.64 per 1000 people   
5.   Chile   90.00 per 1000 people   
6.   United Kingdom   86.04 per 1000 people   
7.   Montserrat   83.49 per 1000 people   
8.   United States   81.55 per 1000 people   
9.   Netherlands   80.84 per 1000 people   
10.   South Africa   80.02 per 1000 people   
11.   Canada   76.89 per 1000 people   
12.   Germany   76.02 per 1000 people   
13.   Norway   72.60 per 1000 people   
14.   France   62.67 per 1000 people   
15.   Seychelles   53.39 per 1000 people   
16.   Hungary   44.80 per 1000 people   
17.   Estonia   41.03 per 1000 people   
18.   Czech Republic   38.19 per 1000 people   
19.   Italy   38.03 per 1000 people   
20.   Switzerland   37.02 per 1000 people   
21.   Portugal   35.96 per 1000 people   
22.   Slovenia   34.93 per 1000 people   
23.   Poland   32.80 per 1000 people   
24.   Korea, South   31.95 per 1000 people   
25.   Mauritius   29.69 per 1000 people

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« Reply #70 on: August 27, 2004, 05:01:21 PM »
Oh... and car thefts per capita....

Country    Description    Amount
1.   Australia   7.04 per 1000 people   
2.   Denmark   5.98 per 1000 people   
3.   United Kingdom   5.63 per 1000 people   
4.   New Zealand   5.56 per 1000 people   
5.   Norway   5.13 per 1000 people   
6.   France   5.01 per 1000 people   
7.   Canada   4.97 per 1000 people   
8.   Italy   4.20 per 1000 people   
9.   United States   3.95 per 1000 people   
10.   Ireland   3.78 per 1000 people   
11.   Spain   3.34 per 1000 people   
12.   Finland   3.15 per 1000 people   
13.   Portugal   2.61 per 1000 people   
14.   Japan   2.43 per 1000 people   
15.   Malaysia   2.41 per 1000 people   
16.   Netherlands   2.37 per 1000 people   
17.   South Africa   2.33 per 1000 people   
18.   Czech Republic   2.32 per 1000 people   
19.   Poland   1.76 per 1000 people   
20.   Estonia   1.64 per 1000 people   
21.   Mexico   1.51 per 1000 people   
22.   Bulgaria   1.49 per 1000 people   
23.   Lithuania   1.44 per 1000 people   
24.   Iceland   1.37 per 1000 people   
25.   Switzerland   1.27 per 1000 people   
   
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# Most Murderous
# Most Populous
# Most Militaristic
# Most Taxed
# Poorest
# Longest Living
# Most Generous
# Most Educated
# Most Athletic
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26.   Uruguay   1.19 per 1000 people   
27.   Slovakia   1.11 per 1000 people   
28.   Dominica   1.03 per 1000 people   
29.   Germany   1.00 per 1000 people

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« Reply #71 on: August 27, 2004, 07:32:28 PM »
Which site did you get those stats from?




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« Reply #72 on: August 27, 2004, 11:10:04 PM »
Why use Vancouver Laz, why not Toronto? It is the largest city and has the most diverse ethnic population, also it receive more immigrants than any other city or province for that matter.

Seems perfect to prove your rants.

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« Reply #73 on: August 27, 2004, 11:26:06 PM »
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Oh... and car thefts per capita....

Country    Description    Amount
1.   Australia   7.04 per 1000 people   
 


Holy crap :eek:

I'd better think of a way to get a 50 cal mounted on the back of the wife's Hyundai quick smart for those dangerous runs to blockbuster!!

I'll just stick to the trunk monkey for my Astra Trunk Monkey :D

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« Reply #74 on: August 27, 2004, 11:50:36 PM »
Howdy Beetle...

  Sorry all my bad ...I didnt mean 20000 in Texas It was 20000 spread out amoung all border states. They are settling in med.and small cities. They range from doctors to day labors.
 
Would it be wrong to say New Zeland is safe now because of Americas guns awhile back or did russia win in that theater to?

Is it an honest thing to do always comparing America to such little countries population wise?
 
 When a liberal doesnt have a reasonable response to a debate,they will do 1 of three things....the first is call you a racist, what are the other 2 things?