Suicide diving level bombers

[Tilt]

Originally posted by Easyscor
No offense Tilt but these two are unreasonalble and anyone who spends much time in bombers would know it.

Re losing calibration when leaving F6

Well the purpose of the need to re calibrate is to force a delay such that players cannot shallow dive their formation and then simply jump to F6 and release.

I do use bombers and find I am usually constantly re calibrating right upto the point of release.........

but the real required out come is the need to create a delay between arriving at F6 and having the bombs armed.


Re disabling POV and external........


Again POV allows limited use of the forward/up view to steer and even more external permits total visualisation of the environs. Removing these severely limits the the ability to fly the formation low across a target and carpet it from say 2000 ft without having to re calibrate.

It could be that disabling external from F6 would be sufficient.


I have no exclusivity on the best ideas


I think just forcing bomb release to be only enabled from F6 when formations are chosen would be an easy first step.

The alternative  to the POV and recalibration would be a simple time fuse on all bombs  dropped from formations. Say 5 secounds

[Ghosth]

Personally I like the idea of the bombs not being armed if not dropped from bombadier pos.

If you want a to put in a "bomb will not drop right, but will hang up" if dropped in a dive, thats fine. But it better be more than than a real shallow dive.

It better not be applied to any plane that was designed to also be a dive bomber, ie ju-88.  Although I did like the single vs formation idea above.

You can't disable the views for F6 without putting a gunner in each gun first. Thats the ONLY way bombers have to see a problem coming. Personally I'd really rather not see "Otto" raise his ugly head here.

Leave the views.  

Leaving F6 view should disarm the bombs. But moving back in should HOLD your last calibration. And instantly rearm.  So you can calibrate, jump to a gun to defend your plane, jump back to bombsight & drop on target. With no penalty.

Last, bombers need a 4th autopilot. One they can engage in the bombsight only. That locks the bomber straight & level with no speed changes.  So you can jump from bombsight to gun, & not have the plane veer off course because you inadvertantly added a bit of rudder trying to track that con.

In this mode the plane should ignore any stick inputs, throttle changes, etc, until bombs are dropped. When it could be released either automaticly or manually if you abort your run.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by MOSQ
I don't have a big problem with low level bomb runs. IRL, that's what the AAF did in the SW Pacific against Jap air bases. They even designed special bombs with fins and chutes to slow their descent so the B-25s wouldn't be downed by their own bomb explosions.  Of course these were night raids, otherwise the buffs would have been wiped out by the Zeros, so it's not a direct correlation, but close enough for me.

I DO have a problem with dive bombing B-17s and Lancs. That DWEEBERY has got to go.

I totally support a limitation that will not allow bombs to release if the decent rate of any level type bomber is greater than 250 FPM.

TotaL AGREEMENT.

No problem with treetop level runs. No problem with 26's diving either,
But the 17's and Lancs  divbombing are absurd.

Bombs should only be able to be dropped from bombadiers position and with auto level fully enabled in these birds. Exterior views should also be disabled from the bombadiers position.

And yes, people should also defend their Cv's And Bases
better:)

[ace31st]

using the bombsight for all bombing runs ruins the fun and it would be way to hard for anybody to do.. treetop runs you NEVER use the bomb sight you just drop in f3 view usually. using the sight would be pretty hard at 500 ft and it would just destroy the fun.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by MOSQ
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I totally support a limitation that will not allow bombs to release if the decent rate of any level type bomber is greater than 250 FPM.

Better make that descent or ascent rate ... for pitch-bombing (though it's a much tougher skill to master).


Also out of curiosity, what would be the effect on the bomb bay of this kind of manouevering? I mean ... you have 7 tons of bombs sitting in a vertical rack in a Lanc. You do a -1G push-over to dive bomb ... what do they do?

[Blammo]

Well, if you restrict bombs to only being dropped from the bombadier's position, that will stop a great deal of the problem.  I think all of the other restrictions about calibrated sight and FPM restrictions are a bit much.  After all, the bombs are "hot" once the fuze is wound up (when dropped).  If you only allowed the bombs to drop from the bombadier's position, all that wild diving a climbing will be eliminated.

By the way:  I don't mind the low alt dive bombing heavy bomber crud.  It is someone using a lanc and 1 or 2 1K bombs the take out single tanks like it is some sort of JABO.  Now that is über dweebery at its worst.  If you want to kill single GVs, go get a P-47 or Typhie or something like that and learn to use it.  Leave the heavies to massed formations or big targets.

[Wolfala]

Originally posted by Stang
It MUST be stopped.  I watched b26's and lancs repeatedly divebomb a cv last night while trying to defend it.  When the tards got shot down they just came right back and did it repeatedly until they finally sank the CV.  A typical run for them was climb to 3k, head straight for the flattop, dive in, drop eggs at 800 feet and BOOM!  Total lameness, IMO the biggest problem with gameplay in the MA.  CV steams for hours somewhere and the tards come out of the woodwork in 2 secs and do this.  HTC please fix the buff model so level bombers must drop their bombs while level.  There is a bombsite for a reason... actually pretty easy to use, takes about 2oz of brains to figgure out.  LEARN IT DWEEBS!  

Never seen the A26K during Vietnam have you?

[Wolfala]

Originally posted by Stang
It MUST be stopped.  I watched b26's and lancs repeatedly divebomb a cv last night while trying to defend it.  When the tards got shot down they just came right back and did it repeatedly until they finally sank the CV.  A typical run for them was climb to 3k, head straight for the flattop, dive in, drop eggs at 800 feet and BOOM!  Total lameness, IMO the biggest problem with gameplay in the MA.  CV steams for hours somewhere and the tards come out of the woodwork in 2 secs and do this.  HTC please fix the buff model so level bombers must drop their bombs while level.  There is a bombsite for a reason... actually pretty easy to use, takes about 2oz of brains to figgure out.  LEARN IT DWEEBS!  

Never seen the A26K during Vietnam have you? The 26 is a great interdictor, whether level bombing or otherwise.  



Wolfala

[Kweassa]

using the bombsight for all bombing runs ruins the fun and it would be way to hard for anybody to do. treetop runs you NEVER use the bomb sight you just drop in f3 view usually. using the sight would be pretty hard at 500 ft and it would just destroy the fun.

 So don't use the sight at 500ft and grab alt and bomb properly, instead being lazy.

[ace31st]

i guess you dont understand the purpose of noe bomb runs,  YOU CANT BE detected on radar, which means you got total surprise on the nme, whereas if your overt 500 ft you can be detected and nme fighters have time to scramle to intercept you.

[Tilt]

By linking the F6 only release to formation choices only you still allow dive bombing in a non formation role..........

Really the shallow dive or dive bombing  B26 / Ju88 is then being used in a ground attack role........ so to me this would be a non formation in application anyway just like an A20.

[Tilt]

There is another way to approach this and thats via the attack/bomber choice buttons.

Choose attack and there is no F6 view and no formations

Choose bomber and F6 is mandatory for bomb release  and formations are optional if available.

Choose bomber and bombs are time fused.


Of course Lancs and B17's would not have attack options as they do not now............

[lasersailor184]

I've had 1k pounders jerk off of a p51 at 6 g's.  I've also had them come off at 4.5 g's sustained.

[MOSQ]

I forgot to mention the first Ploesti raid by B-24s. It was an attempt at a low level bomb run at tree top level to get under DAR. Didn't work out too well because the intel was all wrong and some formations missed a way point turn, but it did happen.

However they did not use those B-24s as Dive Bombers !

[Stang]

using the bombsight for all bombing runs ruins the fun and it would be way to hard for anybody to do.. treetop runs you NEVER use the bomb sight you just drop in f3 view usually. using the sight would be pretty hard at 500 ft and it would just destroy the fun.

The entire problem with bombing in the MA personified right here.  Can't believe it.  Wow.