Originally posted by lazs2
capt... I would be interested in hearing about all the successful socialist programs that you know about. Social security? Welfare? Public schools? 40 cents a gallon tax on gas to have crappy roads? Department of motor vehicles?
What has Bush done that would make your analogy pertinent? Seems he has done just about everything he said he would... He seems very trustworthy to me as opposed to the Clinton like shiftiness of Kerrie.
So what's the deal with you? does the little woman read this board or something?
lazs
public schools, while they definitely have their problems as opposed to private schools, are a huge sauces if compared to not having schools for the majority of students (which would be the case were it not for public schools. this would make the problem of the rich getting richer while the poor get poorer even more extreme, since only the rich would be educated. many of our best scientists have made to college with public education, scholarships, or student loans( also another social program).
thousands have avoided starvation due to welfare.
many who didn't have option of saving money for retirement have avoided being put out on the streets with nothing when dis-abaled or too old to be useful in the workplace, thanks to social security.
40 cent gas tax? who gives a damn? first the price has gone up a hell of a lot more than 40 cents since Bush took office, I'd much rather it went to roads than to make some rich oil guy richer. second, with the exception of some of the mid-east countries we have some of the cheapest gas prices in the world, stop whining tough guy. third, where do you propose you drive the high HP cars that you (and me) love if you don't pay for decent roads to drive on? should we do away with the whole public works system? just let entrepreneurs build private roads to places they think you need to drive too? let them charge whatever they can get away with for use of their road? you can park your car and walk to anywhere that nobody thought you needed a road to.
btw, how much do you suppose you'd be paying for gas if they gas stations had to build their own road to get that tanker to the station. do you think your local station would even exist, or would they make you burn up extra gas, to go pick it up somewhere near where the tanker pumps out it's cargo?
DMV? keeping track to see if the guy pulled over in the car is actually the guy who owns it (since I'm not a car thief, I find this function a plus), making sure cars are insured so the dip-**** (who of course has no assets) who runs into my car and cripples me up can pay to cover the damage he does to me. all of this for the $27 a year it costs me to license & DEQ my car, I call it a deal.
what has Bush done? for starters he's lied about evidence to start a war that has only been beneficial to a very small percentage of Americans (those in the military contracting business, and career officers who advance more rapidly in war times), the rest of America has taken it in the shorts, in particular the families of the 1000 or so men who've lost their lives over their.
his tax cuts mostly helped the rich, some benefit to the middle class but not near enough (when looked at the group as a whole) to offset the income lost, due to lost jobs. the middle class now pays slightly less taxes while on average making much less money.
he promises less gov't and delivers bigger gov't.
he promises states rights and delivers challenges to state laws in court.
he says we need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, and he plans to do that by drilling in Alaska so we can use our own oil.
think about that one for a minute. he wants to reduce our dependence on outside sources by using up our own supplies faster. does that math work for you? if so you are a perfect Bush supporter. the way I do math, you reduce your dependency on out side sources by using them as much as possible in the present while holding on to your own supplies miserly, this way, you hold a bigger slice of the world oil supply every moment that time goes by. his policy won't reduce our dependence, it simply cant, what it will do is allow rich oil men access to our reserves now, so they can buy cheap and with the prices high their profits soar.
