Author Topic: Osama Bin Laden Innocent?? (Read 2969 times)

Coolridr · « **Reply #90 on:** August 31, 2004, 09:34:18 AM »

Sorry we must have posted at the same time...look at mine just above your last one.

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #91 on:** August 31, 2004, 09:56:52 AM »

Coolridr,
see my above post please. I edited..

Also, I would like to add that contrary to the believer that all conspiracy theorist are nutjobs(maybe some are), quakes, flukes, trouble making debunkers, ****ing *******s, or ignorant fools they are attempting(in most cases) to provide the average person with another look/idea on something. In most cases(from my observations) they ask nothing of their readers. They simply offer a new thought on something. They do not pander for money. They do not condemn the disbeliever. They do not tell you what you want to hear. They simply offer an idea. Believe or not is left to the reader.

Coolridr · « **Reply #92 on:** August 31, 2004, 10:14:09 AM »

Every website I've seen has a donation button on it...How much money does it take to pay for webhosting?

I do get alot from the media. I try to watch as much as possible from alot of sources to try to get a balanced view. It's too bad that most lean to the left.

I do not believe they are 100% honest either. To do so would be dangerously nieve. In fact I think we are lied to alot. But such is politics.

What convinces me is that I've spent alot of time researching both sides of the coin ever since the first time I heard of some of these groups trying to blame the govt. I have found nothing that I feel is factual that debunks the claims of the govt. as far as the actual attacks are concerned.

I do believe we should have been better prepared for something like this.

I do not believe we had enough intel prior to this to have even attempted to prevent it.

I absolutely do not believe that we crashed a plane/missile/fighter into ANY of the buildings ourselves.

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #93 on:** August 31, 2004, 10:34:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Coolridr
Every website I've seen has a donation button on it...How much money does it take to pay for webhosting?

I'm certain you dont just mean the conspiracy therorist websites? You mean any religious, political, porn, or any other site with an agenda. There are so many agendas. I myself have not noticed.

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I do get alot from the media. I try to watch as much as possible from alot of sources to try to get a balanced view. It's too bad that most lean to the left.

Im sorry, but in my view it is impossible to get a 'balanced' view from US media alone. There are some 6 corporations that control everything you see on TV and hear on Radio. I also do not have an answer for this.

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What convinces me is that I've spent alot of time researching both sides of the coin ever since the first time I heard of some of these groups trying to blame the govt. I have found nothing that I feel is factual that debunks the claims of the govt. as far as the actual attacks are concerned.

Seven buildings, two planes at the wtc.....

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I do believe we should have been better prepared for something like this.

I do not believe we had enough intel prior to this to have even attempted to prevent it.

I absolutely do not believe that we crashed a plane/missile/fighter into ANY of the buildings ourselves.

What is enough intel? Is it enough that many leading coutries in the world told us we were about to be attacked? Is it enough that our president recieved a memo stating we were going to be attacked? Is it enough that FBI sources said we would be attacked? All this was pre-911. When a memo crossing the president's desk stating fact is not enough, is it possible to have enough?

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #94 on:** August 31, 2004, 01:59:59 PM »

A fine example of just a small peek from that day..

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In hearings last Friday, Sen. Dayton (D-MN) raised an obvious point: if the timeline of air defense response as promoted in the Kean Commission's best-selling book is correct, then the timeline presented repeatedly by NORAD during the last two years was completely wrong. Yet now no one at NORAD is willing to comment on their own timeline!

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When the official story of 9/11 can be changed repeatedly without anyone ever being held accountable, we have no right to ever again expect honest government. Please read the following story and do your part to support Sen. Dayton for highlighting the contradiction, and to encourage the media to follow up.

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Now that the Kean Commission has published the new timeline in its final report, these contradictions must not be simply swept under the rug. Either the Kean Commission is wrong, or else NORAD was pushing a flawed timeline for more than two years. Either way, the FAA story still differs from both.

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Instead of accountability, several of the key figures - Gens. Myers and Eberhard, FAA official Ben Sliney - have been promoted since Sept. 11! Yet one or more of them must be wrong about what happened on 9/11.

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Asked about Dayton's allegation, a spokesman for Colorado Springs-based NORAD said, "We stand on our testimony to the commission" and declined to discuss the 2001 chronology. Erin Utzinger, a spokeswoman for Dayton, said the senator "assumes the FAA knew of NORAD's coverup."

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040731213239607

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #95 on:** August 31, 2004, 05:25:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Lizking
You don't try the mentally ill, you commit them and try and cure them.

Going by your concept, we would should also try the Creationists, the "never been to the moon" kooks and assorted other ignorant ultra melons.

I would suggest that you indicate that you do not yourself believe in such "theorys" when you post them, or accept that you will be thought to be a child or ignorant, or both.

Your taunts amuse me lizking. Your defense against a trail is sadly lacking , however. Can u not see the difference between 'we didnt go to the moon, really'' and 'who really murdered 3000 men women and children'? What crime has been committed by the creationist? Free speech? Why a trail fro the 'moon kooks'. Who did they murder? Right now, timothy McVeigh is the number 1 mass murder in US history, possibly the world. Without a trail, he will remain there. Are you afraid that OBL wont be convicted? How about a little closure to the families? I challenge your 'grown up-ness', once again with the questions. Why is there no effort by the US to conduct a trail, as required by international law. The same laws that the US agreed to, if not demanded. ?

Buzzer · « **Reply #96 on:** August 31, 2004, 06:48:04 PM »

OBL is not innocent.
Otoh there has not been proven any connection between OBL/911 and Iraq (and they still havent found any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq- and yes Saddam Hussein was an brutal ass-hole of a dictator).

And BinLaden family members were allowed to leave the US after 9/11 - though after the airspace was reopened - point is why were they allowed to leave just like that?
Considering the connection between the Bush family and Saudi Arabia and the BinLadens it all gets rather dirty imho.

From the September 11 Commission's 567-page report:
"142 Saudis, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, were allowed to leave the country after September 13. Confirmed, Commission Report at p. 556, n. 25"

Ripsnort · « **Reply #97 on:** October 30, 2004, 09:12:50 AM »

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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
I have to admit..2 weeks ago i had no doubt OBL was the 3rd antichrist. Now, I am not so sure.

Convinced now?

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Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States.

In what appeared to be conciliatory language, bin Laden said he wanted to explain why he ordered the suicide airline hijackings that hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon so Americans would know how to act to prevent another attack.

Lizking · « **Reply #98 on:** October 30, 2004, 09:24:08 AM »

You didn't like my foot in your ass, but how do you like your foot in your mouth, WhiteHawk.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #99 on:** October 30, 2004, 09:42:35 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
He is at least partly right. OBL should be put on trial for his crimes just like McVeigh.

Death penalty if found guilty or not?

(Apologies for last nights comments, found out my Step father has an untreatable cancer last week and this weeks been hell. No condolences needed, please hold them)

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #100 on:** October 30, 2004, 10:36:42 AM »

wow this thread went to 3 pages fast.

Perhaps this link would be better served here then where I originally had it.

Not my writing but interesting and very well documented reading nontheless

http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11timeline60pg

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #101 on:** October 30, 2004, 12:34:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Lizking
You didn't like my foot in your ass, but how do you like your foot in your mouth, WhiteHawk.

Be specific so I can reply. What have I said here that was inaccurate? And be all growed up and try not to break any of the forum rules.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #102 on:** October 30, 2004, 01:16:24 PM »

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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Ok.. think I can agree with all that.. but,

Would you say that finding OBL has been America's top priority in the war on terrorism?

Was finding, capturing, and killing Hitler the top priority in World War II?

Here's a clue for the clueless: Terrorists are like cockroaches. You can kill their top man, and a dozen others will step up to take his place. Best to pursue every terrorist you can, as relentlessly as possible. If you catch the current top cockroach, marvelous. If not, kill as many as possible and destroy their infrastructure, keep them off balance, and unable to make an effective counter response.

Look at the situation in Israel. They've been able to kill off some of the top members of Hamas and Hezbollah. While more cockroaches have taken the places of the top cockroaches who got stomped, Hamas and Hezbollah have been seriously damaged, and have not been nearly so successful in attacking Israel. It is not because the top cockroaches are dead, it's because the lights are on and the cockroaches are scurrying to evade the RAID.

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #103 on:** October 30, 2004, 03:01:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Was finding, capturing, and killing Hitler the top priority in World War II?

Here's a clue for the clueless: Terrorists are like cockroaches. You can kill their top man, and a dozen others will step up to take his place. Best to pursue every terrorist you can, as relentlessly as possible. If you catch the current top cockroach, marvelous. If not, kill as many as possible and destroy their infrastructure, keep them off balance, and unable to make an effective counter response.

Look at the situation in Israel. They've been able to kill off some of the top members of Hamas and Hezbollah. While more cockroaches have taken the places of the top cockroaches who got stomped, Hamas and Hezbollah have been seriously damaged, and have not been nearly so successful in attacking Israel. It is not because the top cockroaches are dead, it's because the lights are on and the cockroaches are scurrying to evade the RAID.

Hmmmm. Thinkin out loud here, Bin Laden, alleged largest mass murder on the planet, committed the most haneous crime of our time, murdering thousands of US citizens on US soil, is no big deal if he shows up on TV rallying the muslim lunitics to spill US blood at any chance.
Saddam, having been castrated from the nose down after the gulf war, sanctions isolating the country, not allowing any terrorists groups to operate in Iraq, is hunted down in a bunny hole in some remote barnyard, for, hmmmm, what? I forgot. Oh well. As long as You know whats going on, im sure we can all rest easier.

Gyro/T69 · « **Reply #104 on:** October 30, 2004, 03:09:53 PM »

"Oh well. As long as You know whats going on, im sure we can all rest easier."

I’m curious Whitehawk. If you where the prez, how would you have gotten Bin Laden?