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Offline Arlo

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« Reply #60 on: September 07, 2004, 12:40:09 AM »
Eh ... people like to complain about the darnedest things.

That Shermie's gonna be cool.

I don't wanna hear these bad vibes.

Woof.

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« Reply #61 on: September 07, 2004, 12:43:14 AM »
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I'm not really clear why this is being discussed, since GVs aren't the real focus of AH.


Couldn't have said it better myself!

Show some pic's of that new bomber........wOOt!!!!

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« Reply #62 on: September 07, 2004, 12:45:46 AM »
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Couldn't have said it better myself!

Show some pic's of that new bomber........wOOt!!!!


If you're here out of some sort of perverse martyr thang, let me assure you that you're probably just gonna get buried in an unmarked grave and forgotten once you stop making noises. :D

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« Reply #63 on: September 07, 2004, 12:46:00 AM »
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Eh ... people like to complain about the darnedest things.

That Shermie's gonna be cool.

I don't wanna hear these bad vibes.

Woof.


It sure will !!!!
Tank on

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Sometimes people don't wanna hear you're bad vibes either, but I'm off the radar, what do I know.

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« Reply #64 on: September 07, 2004, 12:50:10 AM »
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It sure will !!!!
Tank on

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Sometimes people don't wanna hear you're bad vibes either, but I'm off the radar, what do I know.


Are we still mad that we got made fun of for asking for more aaa vehicles to be put at the top of HiTech's priority list? :D

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« Reply #65 on: September 07, 2004, 01:08:43 AM »
Not at all
HTC knows what's best for the game and the community.

I never, repeat never,  said AA veh's should take some sort of top priority. I believe I stated "liked to see"  just like your line up of the next logical A/C that should be modeled. {in other words, like to see}
Yes you did say the Sherman should be modeled next and it was in the same thread I agreed.

Pay attn now!

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« Reply #66 on: September 07, 2004, 01:14:59 AM »
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Pay attn now!


Ah ... so you're here for the attention! They don't give you enough attention over there? You missed the abuse? Well I got news for ya, tankgirl. I may just hafta treat you nicer until you resort to whipping yer ownself. So there! :lol

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« Reply #67 on: September 07, 2004, 01:19:55 AM »
Attention over there ?
Over where?

Oh, and now it's name calling time I see "tankgirl"   that's a good one.

From looking at the # of posts you've made, you're saying "I'M"  looking for attn :lol

Again,  that's rich

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« Reply #68 on: September 07, 2004, 02:22:28 AM »
Over here, apparently. Remember ... your first post in this thread that's about a new MBT being worked on for AHII was you insinuwhining that HTC didn't spend enough time developing it's GV set. It had to be a lonely plea for attention. It sure wasn't an attempt to impress us with your brilliance.

Before you dropped off the radar the longest conversation you and I had was me making fun of you for wanting another aaa vehicle modeled when the MBTs had disparity. That and me making fun of you, in general, for acting like Aces High was designed with modeling an equal or greater number of ground vehicles to aircraft as to cater to the 12 players in the game that do nothing but sit in a gv everytime they log on in mind. Hell .. there's bound to be a dozen or so players that do nothing but putter around in PT boats. Let's come up with a list of 25 or 30 motorboats that HT needs to seriously consider modeling for the sake of the game.

Shermie ... T34 .... a Japanese tank (which the M-8 could probably whip) and we're actually pretty well set GV-wise. Maybe ... maybe ... go ahead and whip out a German troop carrier (though a German skin for the M-3 would suffice just as well).

But there'll still be a few other players that think the uberschturmhumptydoodle MK69 depleted uranium firing hovertank despirately needs modeling because:

A: They saw a drawing of it once and it looked cool.

and

B: A flightsim without tons of GVs is just a flightsim, dammit!

:D
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« Reply #69 on: September 07, 2004, 03:25:07 AM »
Again, as usual well stated.

HTC knows what's best for it's community, now looking back on my previous post/posts, it is completely moronic to want to include more diversity in the ground war dept. After all this is a WWII combat flight simulation and not a WWII combat ground war simulation.  I stand corrected, thanks for helping me see the light.

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« Reply #70 on: September 07, 2004, 05:44:42 AM »
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PLEASE please keep in mind this is a "flight sim" not a GV game. Those people should go play WWII online or something.

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1. There is however some issues with it getting strafed with .303 rounds and 2 or 3 hits takes it's turret out or better yet the engine or tracks.
2. The tanks either take a beating to where people are constantly complaining about them or their getting killed {turret out, eng out, track out or blown up} by a couple of .50cal rounds.
 

1. The ostie is open toped. That means the gunery crew and turret equipment is fully exposed to aircraft. Hell a rock thrown at the right angle could literaly knock out a crew member in the turret.
2. It's been fixed, even hazookas have a difficult time penetrating the armour.
2b. A track could be thrown out if a bullet knocked a pin out of place.

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« Reply #71 on: September 08, 2004, 01:01:59 AM »
BenDover states:
"1. The ostie is open toped. That means the gunery crew and turret equipment is fully exposed to aircraft. Hell a rock thrown at the right angle could literaly knock out a crew member in the turret.
2. It's been fixed, even hazookas have a difficult time penetrating the armour.
2b. A track could be thrown out if a bullet knocked a pin out of place"

I know the Ostwind is an open topped turret AA veh. I probably know more about the Ostwind and it's brothers the Mobelwagen & Wirbelwind than enyone in here.

I'll agree, the crew is somewhat exposed, but rounds have to be fired at an angle to strike the crew. It is, of course possable to hit the gun barrel at certain angles which in turn might damage it.

Tracks being takin' out by a .50cal or .303 round is stretching it a bit. This typically did not happen in WWII.
The biggest threat to this type of veh was other tanks, ATG's and bombs/rockets. Also the reloading crew was extremely vulnerable to small to medium arms fire.

Piece of info:

Wirbelwind and Ostwind were successors to the Flakpanzer IV Mobelwagen (armed with 37mm Flak 43 L/89) - "interim solution" produced before the introduction of real Flakpanzer. In July of 1944, prototype of Ostwind (Eastwind) - an air defense armored vehicle build on Panzer IV's proven chassis was produced. Its design was very similar to that of Flakpanzer IV Wirbelwind (Whirlwind) which prototype was build in May of 1944 and was to become the first true Flakpanzer. Both vehicles were build on retired or battle damaged Panzer IV (mainly Ausf F/G) chassis/components returned from the front for major repairs. The concept of Wirbelwind was that of Karl Wilhelm Krause, an officer of 12th SS Panzer Division "Hitler Jugend", who in summer of 1944, proposed to mount four barrelled 20mm Flak 38 L/112.5 gun on PzKpfw IV's chassis.

Wirbelwind and Ostwind were fitted with very similar (especially designed) open-top (Wirbelwind's turret had 9 side panels and Ostwind's had 6 side panels) turrets mounted in the place of standard turrets. Ostwind's turret was nicknamed Keksdose - cookie tin. Main difference was that Wirbelwind was armed with quadruple 20mm Flak 38 L/112.5 guns while Ostwind was armed with single 37mm Flak 43 L/89 gun (both could be used against ground targets as well). 20mm Flak proved to be less effective than 37mm Flak and was eventually replaced by it. Both were produced by Ostbau Works in Sagan, Silesia in limited numbers due to the material shortages and the fact that Ostbau Works moved to facilities of Deutsche Eisenwerke in Teplitz and Duisburg due to danger of being overrun by the Soviets. Overall from May to November of 1944, only 87(105) Wirbelwinds were made, contrary to only 44(43) Ostwinds produced from July 1944 to March of 1945. Both vehicles were issued to Flugabwehrzug (AA platoons) units of Panzer Divisions. There were never enough of them to equip frontline units, which were in the need for adequate mobile AA defense. Both proved to be very effective against low flying aircraft. The interesting fact is that prototype Ostwindwas combat tested by 1st Waffen SS Panzer Division "Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler" during the Ardennes Offensive (December 16 to 22 of 1944) and returned to factory undamaged

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« Reply #72 on: September 08, 2004, 12:33:59 PM »
And, by cod, AH really does need more aaa stationwagons and patrol motorboats ... more than anything else ... or at least as many as there are plane models. It's just not fair. (hehe)

The Shermie is gonna be a cool addition. I anticipate a "Battle of the Bulge" scenario or CT setup as a result. :aok

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« Reply #73 on: September 08, 2004, 12:53:58 PM »
Cool idea