The Camp of the La7

[SlapShot]

I meet one who has any idea at all how to fight, I die.

You have a better chance of winning PowerBall than you do at the above scenario, plus your holding back.

I just fought you recently while I was in a Spit V and unless I am really going bonkers, you would have sliced me to ribbons in a short amount of time had I been in an La-7. I had all I could do to keep you at bay in a Spit V.

[icemaw]

Does anyone have stats on the number of la7 threads started on the BB? Seems to me a thread with this much usage should surely be perked. Its a true monster and I have yet to see anyone aside from HT employees that can kill one.

[Shane]

Originally posted by icemaw
Does anyone have stats on the number of la7 threads started on the BB? Seems to me a thread with this much usage should surely be perked. Its a true monster and I have yet to see anyone aside from HT employees that can kill one.

438 threads, 7,392 posts.  all done by the same 5 whiners.

[Glasses]

Keep flying the Laggs  and I'll keep flying my Fw 190A5 and perk farm every single Bishknit I see. Just don't whine when Glassiod buys himself a couple of Torquemadas with quad Mk108s thanks to you.

Anyways carry on.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by SlapShot
The problem is that everyone who encounters the La-7 panics and only thinks to escape rather than fight it.

You are kidding, right?

[dedalos]

Why is it that every one brags about how easy it is to kill a 'lala' and everyone asks for it to be perked?

lol  

[Kweassa]

Why is it that every one brags about how easy it is to kill a 'lala' and everyone asks for it to be perked?

 Simple, dedalos.
 
 Claiming the La-7 isn't that of a big deal is the only form of solace one can expect when facing this plane. The bare truth is in what Urchin said;

Actually, I rarely kill La-7s in LW planes. If I drag one away from their horde, they just run if they lose the advantage. If I meet one who has any idea at all how to fight, I die.

 People who claim the La-7 isn't much of a big deal, constantly drags in the human factor into an objective performance analysis. But if we reverse that logic, it should mean, "the only way to win against a La-7 is by having a truly superior advantage in pilot skills" <- this is a really big thing in the MA, considering "average" or "unimpressive" pilots like me take up more than 80% of the population.

 Given the circumstances are right one can kill a Me262 in a A6M. So, should these special circumstances with special conditions(ie, "pilot factor") mean anything?

 I mean, nobody takes the "pilot factor" into consideration when they talk about other perked planes. F4U-4, Spit14, Tempest, Ta152 etc etc.. will these planes be overwhelmingly "problematic" to be considered "uber" if they are unperked?

 Ofcourse not. People who laugh at the La-7 will laugh at those planes too, if they become free planes. They'll brag and boast about how easy it is to kill these planes in a 1:1 fight in their slower planes.

 But really, what kind of a stupid would want to engage a Spitfire or a slower mid-war plane(that usually maneuvers better) in an all-out 1:1 battle?

 If you look at it closely, you can see that "I have no problems with it" comments most usually means "I have no problems with a stupid pilot who doesn't know how to handle this plane".

 So, what happens if an average/decent pilot who knows better than to stick around in a tough fight against a better pilot in a slower, but better maneuvering plane takes the La-7?

 Logically, they "extend", "run", "bore and zoom" and etc etc.. Ofcourse, no amount of superior skill can catch a La-7 doing that stuff in a slow mid-war plane.

 So, they choose to ridicule it as "cowardice".

 So the overall score is something like this;

* In some cases they find a stupid La pilot and shoot him down, they brag about it.
* In most cases they find an average La pilot who they cannot shoot down because of its pure performance, they decide to ignore and belittle it.

 Ofcourse, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that the second case is which proves how formiddable this plane really is, not the former.

[GScholz]

I always attack the Lala's first. They are the most dangerous opponents, and if I'm to have a chance they must be engaged while I still have an advantage of alt or E.

[RTGorkle]

I've been flying the La-7 almost exclusively for a couple of tours. I'm a hopeless addict. For me, once I got over the social stigma, it's been loads of fun.

When I'm in an La-7, the ONLY thing I fear in the AH skies is an approaching enemy La-7 which I've judged to be either having less fuel onboard my mine or is being flown by a superior pilot that's known to be in the area.

Don't care if they perk it, but I think it should be.

Gorkle.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by GScholz
I always attack the Lala's first. They are the most dangerous opponents, and if I'm to have a chance they must be engaged while I still have an advantage of alt or E.

That's what I do as well, kill La7's first while my E state is high. In a furball situation it's not safe to try to disengage to rtb for gas or ammo with La7s about as they relish the prospect of running you down with no gas or ammo.

Zazen

[Tilt]

Originally posted by Shane
438 threads, 7,392 posts.  all done by the same 5 whiners.

I was wondering what the out come would be if all those so vociferously agin the La7 were to fly it for a tour in an attempt to "rig" the usage numbers.......... it occurred to me that in actuality they were insufficient in numbers to effect them by any noticable degree.

I understand that flown "cautiously" it means that pilots can quite easily play safe.............

I understand that this can be annoying to our "experten" who believe every pilot of lower skill is their right full prey..............

I  believe that the 3 cannon version is late war enough to be considered for perkage..............

But what the stats and my arena experience convince me off, is that the La7 is not in any way unbalancing the game play any more than several other ac.

Indeed if it were to be removed the arena (IMO) would focus on 3 ac instead of 4. Hopefully with the advent of the Ki84 the 4 will become 5.


Back to perking the 3 cannon version. There are plenty of arguments for this that would placate both camps.........

1) Precedence. The Chog. Just because the Russians did not change the name of the La7 when the 3 x B20 were added makes it no less a different ac for the addition than the Chog is from the Hog it is derived from.

2)Game play. If you try it out you will find that the 2 cannon effective ness in snap shot seems far less than the 33% reduction in fire power would suggest. BnZ and high speed angles kills would be significantly reduced if players were to consider the 2 Shvak option as the only choice. There is a much greater need to "saddle up" with the 2 cannon version. I would expect those wanting to collect easy (no brain) kills to move to their other favoured ride the N1K2(or the Ki84 when it emerges).

3)Choice. An la7 is still available in non perked format for those who wish to enjoy it.

[Dead Man Flying]

I really enjoy fighting La-7s over P-51s, 190s, Typhoons, or other speedy adversaries.  They allow for a great degree of aggressiveness without fear, so La-7 pilots tend to fly more aggressively in general.  Win or lose, I much prefer that to dodging yawn-inducing BnZ for 15 minutes.

That's a good thing in my book.  I'm glad it's around and unperked.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[AWCHKRS]

The LA 7 ...
 Perk Smirk , "leave it alone Snivelers " ......

All the Fighters have good and bad points , I like flying the P 40 E sometimes , but I also realise that if I run up against a Hellcat  ( for example ) and chose to turn fight it , and get killed , that it was my choice to fly the P 40 and not game's, or the Hellcat's or HTC Crew's fault that I got killed , but mine alone !

 The LA 7 has no drop Tank,
No Rockets,
 Very short flying time , small clip , and is a Slug above 18 K .... but , I think it is a fun plane to fly and fight in , so I use it , and would hate to see it ( or any of  others like the NIKI ) screwed with for any reason .

 I look foward to the KI 84,  and other faster later rides in AH 2,
like  the later P 51's, P 47's  and the La 9 ....... F8F Hellcat .
The more the better, and each modeled historicaly correct , not a bunch of fancy skined, de-fused, crippled facsimley's  with lamed- up,  speed, performance, and guns based on wines . During the Beta testing og AH 2, I chose to fly the LA 7 alot, and I was reminded again and   found out,
"Real Quick " that it is not the LA 7 that is the answer to winning a
DogFight but the pilot flying it , "Furious ( cpid ) handed me my butt on a plate day in and day out, in head's-up one on one Dogfights" with us both flying the LA 7's .......

   I have played "other online games " where the concept of a rolling plane set was in operation , all the planes were balanced or matched as best as they could . Gameplay was Stagnenet ( and still is ) and  as dull as watching grass grow .

 Regards to all .....

 just my 2 cents ....and not to be read as a Sermon in any way, shape of form .

  CHECKERS

[sax]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I really enjoy fighting La-7s over P-51s, 190s, Typhoons, or other speedy adversaries.  They allow for a great degree of aggressiveness without fear, so La-7 pilots tend to fly more aggressively in general.  Win or lose, I much prefer that to dodging yawn-inducing BnZ for 15 minutes.

That's a good thing in my book.  I'm glad it's around and unperked.

-- Todd/Leviathn

yep

[straffo]

Plain right DMF it's more fun to fight a LA7 that stay in than a bore and zoom plane.