Author Topic: general question (Read 1764 times)

SlapShot · « **Reply #15 on:** September 08, 2004, 03:54:08 PM »

LOL 73 ... that wasn't my quote ... I bolded it and then answered it.

As far as I am concerned, there is never a stalemate.

Somebody dies ... the Spit or the Dora ... or somebody runs away ... which would be the Dora ... which is a loss in my book.

JB73 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 08, 2004, 04:04:12 PM »

cc that... whoever said it, i disagree with it LOL

68DevilM · « **Reply #17 on:** September 08, 2004, 05:57:44 PM »

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Originally posted by JB73
look at not kills of, but total kills for the tour.

tour 55:
The Spitfire Mk IX has 17200 kills and has been killed 17071 times.
The Fw 190D-9 has 14912 kills and has been killed 9107 times

tour 54:
The Spitfire Mk IX has 22828 kills and has been killed 22356 times
The Fw 190D-9 has 16842 kills and has been killed 9918 times

tour 53:
The Spitfire Mk IX has 29901 kills and has been killed 27004 times
The Fw 190D-9 has 12375 kills and has been killed 7516 times.

tour 52:
The Spitfire Mk IX has 35038 kills and has been killed 33060 times
The Fw 190D-9 has 12269 kills and has been killed 8074 times.

285% advantage

tour 51:
The Spitfire Mk IX has 48561 kills and has been killed 44348 times
The Fw 190D-9 has 14238 kills and has been killed 9245 times

341% advantage

tour 50:
The Spitfire Mk IX has 44874 kills and has been killed 41585 times.
The Fw 190D-9 has 15256 kills and has been killed 10227 times

294% advantage

a few in BOLD stand out

you get the idea. though the numbers are changing because of the ENY thing, the 190d is no "uber" main arena terror some on the BBS say. heck do the same thing with the numbers against the La7 and 190d and be ready for a shock LOL

oh well my 2¢

i dont know what im doing wrong then?

these are the stat's im getting for this tour useing the ah scores page

im entering options for model vs. model 190d-9 vs. spit 9 and it says

Fw 190D-9 has 204 Kills of Spitfire Mk IX

Spitfire Mk IX has 117 Kills of Fw 190D-9

68DevilM · « **Reply #18 on:** September 08, 2004, 06:02:13 PM »

delete by me

68DevilM · « **Reply #19 on:** September 08, 2004, 06:23:24 PM »

so the reason its perked so lo is becuase its used more, thats the system?

thought it was becuase it was a better plane

wow and it took me all those post's to figure it out:o

who thought this system up!

all those kills (well earned) totals for the spit 9 are probably mostly for eating up all the hordes during defence. i dont think for offence it is a very good plane, not like the vulching dora though, another one is the yak, and la5 hi perked planes that are excellent for vulching.

is that the name of the game, i guess id better grab an la7 and start vulching! wait another low perked plane, so what is it about the dora that makes it any harder to get kills in?

i suppose the whineing go's farther back than when i first started playing this game, and it wouldnt surprise me if the way things are now are becuase someone, somewhere started whineing to get things the way they are now.

either way, it will never change the way everybody likes it.

by the way jb, wasnt frustrated, just hit me like a ton of bricks. its the system that did'nt make any sense.

ive been killed by pleanty dora's and only can kill one usually if they get stupid or i can catch em and that's only when i have alt, dora's can get away from me, as well as most of the fighters. still dont see how the spitty has the advantage if he can even catch the dora.

hell the spit 9 is env. just about evenly as the la7, p51d, but has half the speed?

then theres the typh. whats that planes env. value at now? dont tell me the typh dont do some serious damage!

again i thought the system was based on lethality.. yes planes have lower kills that the spit 9 but the only reason for this i thought was becuase it was used so much for defence and fendidng off heavier numbers. no one thinks that should be rewarded with perks? dont tell me it doesnt take skill to kill four five guys on defence when your out numbered 5 to one? when alot of people take fast planes into a field and vulch ten of em before most of them get off the deck, spits useually to slow for this, and if not the ack's gonna tear him up, dora's fast enough for the ack.

68DevilM · « **Reply #20 on:** September 08, 2004, 06:36:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
JB73,

The numbers are changing faster due to the ENY thing, but they were changing before. The answer is simple: speed. AH2 favors fast aircraft juast as WWII did. The gunnery changes have helped fast aircraft and hurt slow aircraft.

If I were the Fw190D-9 pilot I'd get some steam up and then take the fight verticle. The power and speed of the Fw190D-9 would overwelm the Spitfire F.Mk IX's ability to match the Fw190 for long and going verticle keeps you over the Spit so that he cannot try to escape.

Bleed the Spit's E out and kill it.

see id like to see the env. system based on this. 190 has the advantage over the spit! so stop pentalizeing the spit just because it gets more kills. pentalize the dora for haveing the advantage over the spit!

JB73 · « **Reply #21 on:** September 08, 2004, 06:44:00 PM »

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Originally posted by 68DevilM
i dont know what im doing wrong then?

these are the stat's im getting for this tour useing the ah scores page

im entering options for model vs. model 190d-9 vs. spit 9 and it says

Fw 190D-9 has 204 Kills of Spitfire Mk IX

Spitfire Mk IX has 117 Kills of Fw 190D-9

to find the stats im showing choos the plane you want, then for "against" pick "ANY" but do not select a specific plane.

there is someone out there that compiles all plane stats into an excel file for online viewing...

also this link shows the current tour:

http://www.innomi.com/ahkillstats/totalstats.php?

as for how the spit IX compares, it is subjective. Karnak is right, the MA is becomming more like "real" WWII with speed being the key to survival.

that started with the release of AHII right away, and the damage model being more precise.... hence need to be closer to kill.

i will say this, with a semi-skilled pilot it is relatively easy to survive in the spit IX against most planes with a few exceptions. when i am "dweebing out" and not flying LW only (our squad allows this 1 week every 3 months) i fly the spit IX and rack up more kills in it than any LW plane for the month usually.

on a side note, i noticed the panzer stats for last full tour:

The Panzer IV H has 79428 kills and has been killed 75914 times.

LOL
me thinks AH is changing more than we all think

68DevilM · « **Reply #22 on:** September 08, 2004, 06:49:33 PM »

right right!

just looked up stat's for total kills for the dora against all models
(just this tour)
4365kills

spit 9=3877 kills

am i looking at this right, now?

wait im confused now!

werent we discussing the fact that the dora has more kills?
makeing it seem it has the advantage? then why give it a better env? than the spit when the la7 is perked low too. and the pony? thier speedy planes.

im confusing myself again:confused:

JB73 · « **Reply #23 on:** September 08, 2004, 06:52:48 PM »

you got it right...

now for the tour look at back tours.

like we all said the MA is changing, AND with the ENY limiter, the spit IX is not being used nearly as much because it can't be.

thrila · « **Reply #24 on:** September 08, 2004, 07:03:55 PM »

On the merge all the d9 has to do is enter a gentle climb, if the spit does a 180 it will not be able to follow. The d9 will gain the advantage and can commence to bnz the spit with impunity.

68DevilM · « **Reply #25 on:** September 08, 2004, 07:04:19 PM »

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Originally posted by JB73
you got it right...

now for the tour look at back tours.

like we all said the MA is changing, AND with the ENY limiter, the spit IX is not being used nearly as much because it can't be.

well that sucks for the pilots who love the spitty and know how to use it, guess i'd better grab a 109 like everyone else.

but the would that mke the spit's env anybetter eventually?

68DevilM · « **Reply #26 on:** September 08, 2004, 07:06:23 PM »

wow look at the spt 9's k/d ratio!

JB73 · « **Reply #27 on:** September 08, 2004, 07:30:27 PM »

you know what "scares" me about these stats?

the "big 4" of old (spit IX, LA7, P51, N1k2) are being phased out...

and the player will "whine" about the new top planes saying they shoudl be perked.

i have strongly been against the 190d being perked.

in the history of AH that i have looked at the 190d has never been in the top 8-10 of killers, and is not an "uber" ride some say it is. personally i have carried a lifetime K/D of 1.93 in the 190d

yes that is a decent K/D only because i spend SOOO much time in it. im not a good pilot, but there are people with lifetime K/D in the pony for example of higher than 4.

if perking a plane is based solely on performance the 190d doesn't match up with anything except speed.

if based solely on usage or kill% in the MA it has never come close to the numbers of the "big 4".

i guess one of 2 things is the case:

im a sucky pilot
or the 190d is not an "uber" ride.

probably the former, but i know i can fight with some players.

68DevilM · « **Reply #28 on:** September 08, 2004, 09:12:38 PM »

yeah my overall stat's for the spit 9 is a 2 something but this month alone i have a 5.08

wich mean im a spit dweeb:lol

tryed the la5 tonight for the first time and got 2 kills easy. hmm mabey im flying the wrong plane, always felt i had to work preety hard sometimes in that spit though:)

68DevilM · « **Reply #29 on:** September 08, 2004, 09:15:28 PM »

lol just checked your stats jb just for ****'s and giggles.

spit 9 has the second highest kills on you

and your second highest killing of is the spit 9