Author Topic: general question (Read 1504 times)

68DevilM · « **on:** September 08, 2004, 01:33:52 PM »

senerio is

190d-9 against a spit 9 same alt, same player skill level.

whos probably gonna win.

just wondering becuase im still confused about this env system, the dora is perked higher than spit but according to the kill stats this month the dora has a ton more kills of the spit for this month and last and probably farther back that that!

then why is the spit perked lower than the dora if it gets killed by the dora more than the spit killing the dora?

190d-9 has 198 kills of the spit 9
spit 9 has 117 kils of the 190d-9

last month
190d-9 had 680 kills of the spit 9
spit 9 has 417 kills of the 190d-9

if its becuase the spit can out turn the 190, what about the speed advantage of the 190 over the spit.

just dont get it:confused:

vorticon · « **Reply #1 on:** September 08, 2004, 01:37:17 PM »

im assuming there both co alt and co e.

the spit 9.

the kill difference you see is because of the way either is flown, spit as a down in the dirt tnb, the 190 as a bnz

_Schadenfreude_ · « **Reply #2 on:** September 08, 2004, 01:50:18 PM »

Dora gets to choose when and where to fight - SPit is forced onto the defensive and has to hope the Dora pilot is stupid enough to play the Spits game.

Blooz · « **Reply #3 on:** September 08, 2004, 01:52:38 PM »

Apples and oranges.

You can't say "190d-9 against a spit 9 same alt, same player skill level" and then use stats from fights that obviously do not meet those criteria.

They are both good planes with different abilities.

Which one will win?

The one that's flown best.
The one that shoots best.
The one that's luckiest.
The one that survives the head on collision.

JB73 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 08, 2004, 01:52:41 PM »

Dora has never had more kills than the spit 9 for a tour

never even colse really.

go to this site:

http://www.hitechcreations.com/scores/stats.html

and querry plane vs. plane

choose what you want then choos against "Any"

look at tours going back, there's 56 of them LOL

spit 9 lower ENY, so it is not being used nearly as much this tour, so stats are abnormal, but if you plot the trend you will see the real data.

to answer question, Spit IX will win if they both have the same E. if the 190 has a huge advantage in E it can escape, but ever match the spit 9 in most aspects other then top end speed.

_Schadenfreude_ · « **Reply #5 on:** September 08, 2004, 01:55:37 PM »

you have to look at the k/d ratio of each plane to have an idea of it's effectiveness...my guess is the Dora has a far higher k/d than the Spit

vorticon · « **Reply #6 on:** September 08, 2004, 02:00:11 PM »

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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
you have to look at the k/d ratio of each plane to have an idea of it's effectiveness...my guess is the Dora has a far higher k/d than the Spit

merely because of the girlyman way it and other bnz rides are flown.

Karnak · « **Reply #7 on:** September 08, 2004, 02:03:52 PM »

The Fw190D-9 controls that fight. It is for the Dora to win or lose or draw. The Spitfire has relatively little say in the matter as it is completely outclassed.

jaxxo · « **Reply #8 on:** September 08, 2004, 02:33:54 PM »

Spit 9 outclassed by dora.lololololol. 190 has more kills to deaths because dweebs can vulch the runway 3 times spraying before they get caught or run home.

If both had same skill level they would look at each other and go opposite ways lol. Not a smart fight for either one on one. Spit would make first move winning the merge (assumin no ho) and dora would be forced on the defensive..dora extends..alot..then comes back for a bnz..however spitty knows this and has run away to get e back. etc. etc. A matter of fact 2 pilots with same skill level and etc. would always be a stale mate would it not? unless its a drastic diff. in plane's.

madness · « **Reply #9 on:** September 08, 2004, 02:38:10 PM »

Depends on what skill level they both are at, if both are noobs, the spit will win the fight because the 190 will try and turn with it. If both are excellent pilots the 190 takes it because he will extend from the spit gain an E advantage and dictate the fight.

SlapShot · « **Reply #10 on:** September 08, 2004, 02:40:02 PM »

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Originally posted by jaxxo
Spit 9 outclassed by dora.lololololol. 190 has more kills to deaths because dweebs can vulch the runway 3 times spraying before they get caught or run home.

If both had same skill level they would look at each other and go opposite ways lol. Not a smart fight for either one on one. Spit would make first move winning the merge (assumin no ho) and dora would be forced on the defensive..dora extends..alot..then comes back for a bnz..however spitty knows this and has run away to get e back. etc. etc. A matter of fact 2 pilots with same skill level and etc. would always be a stale mate would it not? unless its a drastic diff. in plane's.

You got that right jaxxo ...

A matter of fact 2 pilots with same skill level and etc. would always be a stale mate would it not?

It would then depend upon who got bored first which would then determine the outcome.

68DevilM · « **Reply #11 on:** September 08, 2004, 03:17:49 PM »

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Originally posted by JB73
Dora has never had more kills than the spit 9 for a tour

never even colse really.

go to this site:

http://www.hitechcreations.com/scores/stats.html

and querry plane vs. plane

choose what you want then choos against "Any"

look at tours going back, there's 56 of them LOL

spit 9 lower ENY, so it is not being used nearly as much this tour, so stats are abnormal, but if you plot the trend you will see the real data.

to answer question, Spit IX will win if they both have the same E. if the 190 has a huge advantage in E it can escape, but ever match the spit 9 in most aspects other then top end speed.

i did that and it still say the spit has been killed more by the dora

JB73 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 08, 2004, 03:24:40 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
A matter of fact 2 pilots with same skill level and etc. would always be a stale mate would it not?

i would disagree with that.

if you are talking about 2 different planes, but pilots who have the same skill...

well here are some examples:

pretend each pilot has 3 months under belt, and knows a few simple moves, and does not try an HO every pass. other than that they has no real ACM knowledge like myself for example (except i sadly have 2.5 years in not 3 months).

Pilot A in an A6m5b
Pilot B in a La7

i doubt that would be a stalemate.

Pilot A in a 109g10 with no gondolas
Pilot B in an FM2

another that i dont beileve would be a stalemate.

i can think of a bunch of matchups where 1 plane clearly gives a polit an advantage over another plane. this is not talking about a great pilot in a lesser plane being about to beat some n00b in a "hot rod"... but like mentioned in the first post, equal pilots

oh well my 2¢

JB73 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 08, 2004, 03:40:20 PM »

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Originally posted by 68DevilM
i did that and it still say the spit has been killed more by the dora

look at not kills of, but total kills for the tour.

tour 55:
The Spitfire Mk IX has 17200 kills and has been killed 17071 times.
The Fw 190D-9 has 14912 kills and has been killed 9107 times

tour 54:
The Spitfire Mk IX has 22828 kills and has been killed 22356 times
The Fw 190D-9 has 16842 kills and has been killed 9918 times

tour 53:
The Spitfire Mk IX has 29901 kills and has been killed 27004 times
The Fw 190D-9 has 12375 kills and has been killed 7516 times.

tour 52:
The Spitfire Mk IX has 35038 kills and has been killed 33060 times
The Fw 190D-9 has 12269 kills and has been killed 8074 times.

285% advantage

tour 51:
The Spitfire Mk IX has 48561 kills and has been killed 44348 times
The Fw 190D-9 has 14238 kills and has been killed 9245 times

341% advantage

tour 50:
The Spitfire Mk IX has 44874 kills and has been killed 41585 times.
The Fw 190D-9 has 15256 kills and has been killed 10227 times

294% advantage

a few in BOLD stand out

you get the idea. though the numbers are changing because of the ENY thing, the 190d is no "uber" main arena terror some on the BBS say. heck do the same thing with the numbers against the La7 and 190d and be ready for a shock LOL

oh well my 2¢

Karnak · « **Reply #14 on:** September 08, 2004, 03:52:35 PM »

JB73,

The numbers are changing faster due to the ENY thing, but they were changing before. The answer is simple: speed. AH2 favors fast aircraft juast as WWII did. The gunnery changes have helped fast aircraft and hurt slow aircraft.

If I were the Fw190D-9 pilot I'd get some steam up and then take the fight verticle. The power and speed of the Fw190D-9 would overwelm the Spitfire F.Mk IX's ability to match the Fw190 for long and going verticle keeps you over the Spit so that he cannot try to escape.

Bleed the Spit's E out and kill it.