'60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake

[Wotan]

I havent been following this thread so I apologize if this was mentioned above:

MEANWHILE, OVER THE WEEKEND journalists from around the country were attempting to track down the original source of the documents. "We're having a hard time tracking how we got the documents," says the CBS News producer. "There are at least two people in this building who have insisted we got copies of these memos from the Kerry campaign by way of an additional source. We do not have the originals, and our sources have indicated to us that we will not be getting the originals. How that is possible I don't know."

One individual several news outlets were looking at was Bill Burkett, a former Texas National Guard officer. Burkett in the past has cooperated with both press and Democratic Party opposition researchers in slinging mud at President Bush. Burkett gained some national attention earlier in the campaign when he claimed he was at National Guard headquarters in Austin 1997, when he overheard Guard officials and a representative of then Governor Bush discuss how to sanitize Bush's files. That story was fully discredited. Nonetheless, Burkett sat down for at least three different interviews with CBS News for the story now at the center of the controversy. One of those interviews was with Rather's producer, Ms. Mapes.

"There are rumors here that if there are any real documents, they are hand-written notes from Killian that someone like Burkett was holding, and that instead of using the hand-written notes, someone typed them up to look more official," says the CBS News producer. "They would look better on TV and posted on line if they were typed, but on a number of levels, that story just doesn't hold up. There are too many inconsistencies factually with what is in the memos."

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=7099

Could it be the Kerry Campaign or the Dem party is the "source" that provided CBS with the documents in question?

[lazs2]

oh yeah... this just get's better and better...

lazs

[ra]

Imagine if FoxNews had done a 'news' story about Kerry being a crook and the only sources they had were a Republican fund raiser and some badly forged documents which probably came from the Bush campaign... and then stood behind the story saying "proove we're lying".   The lefties would be calling for Congressional investigations.  They'd be asking the UN to intervene.  Wailing and gnashing of teeth.  Al Franken threatening to beat up Brit Hume.

But it's only CBS attacking Bush, so no biggy.

[AKIron]

lol, you pegged it ra.

[Nash]

Better and better?

This story is pretty much dead. For one thing - this document isn't even neccesary to build the case that CBS made... there's a truckload of other sources that basically confirm what the document says.

CBS already investigated this - for 2 years - before reporting it. Don't hold your breath for them to, like, re-investigate it.

The accusations of forgery don't hold up. Each one of them have been easily shot down. The "experts" that were quoted in various papers after the report have almost all recanted.

How did all this hoopla start anyways?

Creative Response Concepts, a Republican public relations firm run by former Pat Buchanan communications director Greg Mueller, with help from former Pat Robertson communications director Mike Russell - the firm hired by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth to hype their smear campaign - sent out a media advisory Thursday: "60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake."

While the show was still airing - they flooded the net with this theory.

Their "experts" consisted of William Flynn, a forensic expert who is famous for alleging that the KGB forged John "Ivan the Terrible" Demjanjuk's death-camp ID in order to "frame" him... and Sandra Ramsey Lines whose GOP ties are long and who is a memeber of WISH list - a group that raises money for Republican women running for the House and Senate.

Then the typical gang of chatterers like Rush et al jumped all over it.

And finally, the only thing they needed to make the whole muddling of the story complete, really, was you. Give yourself a pat on the back for being such well behaved and cooperative subjects.

But do not expect this story to develop.

[AKIron]

The "dead" story is no longer about Bush Nash. It's now a much bigger story about forgery and fraud.

[Nash]

Whatever you want to believe.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Nash
Whatever you want to believe.

I want to believe that Americans can see the need for reformation in the middle east. That without change, the hate being bred there will swallow us all. That what the US is doing in Iraq is likely our only hope of success. I'd like to believe that Americans can see that while Bush may not be the most eloquent speaker, he is doing what must be done. I'd like to believe that Kerry has the fortitude to continue in this if elected. That may be just too much to ask me to believe though.

[TheDudeDVant]

Originally posted by Nash
Better and better?

This story is pretty much dead. For one thing - this document isn't even neccesary to build the case that CBS made... there's a truckload of other sources that basically confirm what the document says.

CBS already investigated this - for 2 years - before reporting it. Don't hold your breath for them to, like, re-investigate it.

The accusations of forgery don't hold up. Each one of them have been easily shot down. The "experts" that were quoted in various papers after the report have almost all recanted.

How did all this hoopla start anyways?

Creative Response Concepts, a Republican public relations firm run by former Pat Buchanan communications director Greg Mueller, with help from former Pat Robertson communications director Mike Russell - the firm hired by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth to hype their smear campaign - sent out a media advisory Thursday: "60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake."

While the show was still airing - they flooded the net with this theory.

Their "experts" consisted of William Flynn, a forensic expert who is famous for alleging that the KGB forged John "Ivan the Terrible" Demjanjuk's death-camp ID in order to "frame" him... and Sandra Ramsey Lines whose GOP ties are long and who is a memeber of WISH list - a group that raises money for Republican women running for the House and Senate.

Then the typical gang of chatterers like Rush et al jumped all over it.

And finally, the only thing they needed to make the whole muddling of the story complete, really, was you. Give yourself a pat on the back for being such well behaved and cooperative subjects.

But do not expect this story to develop.

Thanks Nash. Didnt really have to read past your Creative Response Concepts but the rest was a good read too.. 8)

[lazs2]

so nash... where did the forged document come from then?

lazs

[TheDudeDVant]

Originally posted by AKIron
I want to believe that Americans can see the need for reformation in the middle east. That without change, the hate being bred there will swallow us all. That what the US is doing in Iraq is likely our only hope of success. I'd like to believe that Americans can see that while Bush may not be the most eloquent speaker, he is doing what must be done. I'd like to believe that Kerry has the fortitude to continue in this if elected. That may be just too much to ask me to believe though.

What the US is doing in Iraqi is exactly the reason hate is being bred in the middle east. Because the US has for decades been doing this very type thing in the middle east. Directly or indirectly.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
What the US is doing in Iraqi is exactly the reason hate is being bred in the middle east. Because the US has for decades been doing this very type thing in the middle east. Directly or indirectly.

The most recent hatred began when the UN declared Israel a nation in their historical homeland. The hate grows because it is systematically taught and encouraged. It will consume them and many of us if it continues.

[Torque]

Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
What the US is doing in Iraqi is exactly the reason hate is being bred in the middle east. Because the US has for decades been doing this very type thing in the middle east. Directly or indirectly.

The problem compounds itself with the policies bestowed upon South America.

Btw interesting info Nash.

[Nash]

Originally posted by lazs2
so nash... where did the forged document come from then?

lazs

What do you mean by "then"?

It is as if the source for this document needs to be known, otherwise all of the unproven claims of forgery actually holds water.

But they don't, and the crys of "where's the source?" is a smokescreen. It doesn't matter who or what the source was. It doesn't change the document itself, and the document itself isn't even an integral part of the CBS story.

Since when do journalists reveal their sources?

Are they going to change this policy because of some misleading claim concocted by a GOP PR firm? Highly wishful thinking.

It was hilarious that Bob Novak went on CNN and the Captial gang demanding that CBS reveal its source. This from the guy who has strenusously claimed his right as a reporter not to reveal his sources to law enforcement officials in the leak of an undercover CIA agent.

Smokescreen.

[AKIron]

No doubt that CBS and all the lefties are wishing this story would go away. Disparaging the significance of the alleged forgery and fraud just ain't gonna make it happen though.