Author Topic: What kind of a sissy would fly a "perk" plane? (Read 1286 times)

Nash · « **Reply #15 on:** January 08, 2001, 01:04:00 PM »

I aint gonna *aspire* to racking up perk points.... but when I got enough and one becomes available... Sure! Why the hell not? I wouldn't hang on to it for long, but it'd be a hoot, wouldn't it?

bloom25 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 08, 2001, 06:53:00 PM »

The more I hear about the perk idea, the more I like it.

If they perk the 1c, I don't think it will cost much. Maybe 1 point or something like that. Basically if you get a kill in anything other than a 1c you will be able to fly the 1c the next sortie. Not only that but I would bet the number of HOs by 1cs will decrease. At the very least it's worth a try. Honestly, that graph Pyro had of 1c kills was truely pathetic. The 1c had twice as many kills as the number 2 plane. Last night I think over 60% of the planes I saw and fought were 1cs. I don't have any problem killing them, but it does get kind of long in the tooth seeing almost always the same aircraft. (F6f is the ultimate c hog solution.

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I flew a Typhoon last night in an attack sortie. So far this tour I'd only flown the F6f, p51, p47d25, p47d30, and a sortie or two in the tbm. After dropping my bombs I found a spit in front of me. I opened fire at 400 yds, and the spit blew up with 2 pings visible. I was immediately ROFL.

I then did a chandelle and found an n1k below me. This time it took 3 pings and it was forced to ditch. Next was another spitfire, this one blew up on the second ping too. I can see how this would be fun, but there's no thrill (for me at least) like having a good ACM fight. At least to me it feels like you actually accomplished something more than proving you can point the nose of your aircraft in the general direction of the enemy aircraft.

I don't think the n1k will be perked. My reasoning is that there is no other aircraft like it. In the case of the 1c, there is the 1d. It is nearly identical to the 1c, except the guns. In the case of the n1k, there aren't any other aircraft like it.

My $.02 anyway.

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Mayhem · « **Reply #17 on:** January 08, 2001, 10:40:00 PM »

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Originally posted by bloom25:
The more I hear about the perk idea, the more I like it.

If they perk the 1c, I don't think it will cost much. Maybe 1 point or something like that. Basically if you get a kill in anything other than a 1c you will be able to fly the 1c the next sortie. Not only that but I would bet the number of HOs by 1cs will decrease. At the very least it's worth a try. Honestly, that graph Pyro had of 1c kills was truely pathetic. The 1c had twice as many kills as the number 2 plane. Last night I think over 60% of the planes I saw and fought were 1cs. I don't have any problem killing them, but it does get kind of long in the tooth seeing almost always the same aircraft. (F6f is the ultimate c hog solution. )

I flew a Typhoon last night in an attack sortie. So far this tour I'd only flown the F6f, p51, p47d25, p47d30, and a sortie or two in the tbm. After dropping my bombs I found a spit in front of me. I opened fire at 400 yds, and the spit blew up with 2 pings visible. I was immediately ROFL. I then did a chandelle and found an n1k below me. This time it took 3 pings and it was forced to ditch. Next was another spitfire, this one blew up on the second ping too. I can see how this would be fun, but there's no thrill (for me at least) like having a good ACM fight. At least to me it feels like you actually accomplished something more than proving you can point the nose of your aircraft in the general direction of the enemy aircraft.

I don't think the n1k will be perked. My reasoning is that there is no other aircraft like it. In the case of the 1c, there is the 1d. It is nearly identical to the 1c, except the guns. In the case of the n1k, there aren't any other aircraft like it.

My $.02 anyway.

Why do people Constantly think the f6f is a F4u or N1k2 solution... Oh wait you musta played Air warrior or war birds.

The f4u was the best US Air craft of WWII it outpreformed all US air craft with the exception of the p51 (and only below 12k). That test was preformed with the f4u1d the f6f5 the p51d the p38j the p47j and the f4f.

The n1k2 was a documented Hellcat killer. It blew the hellcat away in everything escept toughness and reliabilaty. theres even a case where Kaneyoshi Muto shot down 6 (Some sorces say 4) of a squadron of 12 f6f5 helcats chasing the remaining hellcats off single handedly in a n1k2-j Shiden Kai.

However The plane is no substitute for the pilot. If your better with your f6f then Iam with my f4u or n1k2 your gunna win hands down. It's not the plane it's the pilot and how well he knows his plane.

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"Destination anywhere, so far gone, I'm already there!"

SKurj · « **Reply #18 on:** January 08, 2001, 10:56:00 PM »

Me!

Sorry, but Aces has and will model aircraft I've not seen in any other sim, damn right I wanna checkem out.
Why pay for something and not try and explore ALL it has to offer?
I bet you at least surf through all them channels on cable that you pay more for than you do Aces. (at least here its more..)

AKskurj

hazed- · « **Reply #19 on:** January 08, 2001, 11:13:00 PM »

i cant wait to try out the perk stuff purely because i love new stuff and you'll need to pay perks to fly em.

Me262's mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

190d's mmmmmmmmmmmm

Ta152 mmmmmmmmmmmmm

beer mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

hazed

LJK Raubvogel · « **Reply #20 on:** January 08, 2001, 11:56:00 PM »

I'll be the first sissy in line to cash in my 5 perk points

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Jekyll · « **Reply #21 on:** January 09, 2001, 01:03:00 AM »

Can't quite work out what your problem is lazs... but I'm sure I'm not alone in that regard.

You've often said that you like the 'furball mentality' arena concept.. take off, find a quick fight and dive in.

So how exactly will guys flying perk planes affect you at all? You'll still kill some, you'll still die some... shouldn't make a difference.

I watched you spend your time on the WB board labelling LW drivers 'sissies' for flying something other than the Corsair. You gonna do exactly the same thing on this board?

Sheesh... thank God you won't have the temperament for WW2OL !

P.S. your 'well balanced planeset' is curerntly dominated by the F4U-1C. I can understand why you are reluctant to countenance any changes to the planeset.

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Fishu · « **Reply #22 on:** January 09, 2001, 01:09:00 AM »

I don't think that flying a perk plane will be any über stuff...
Perk plane probably will atract alot people dedicated to bring him down.

Nash · « **Reply #23 on:** January 09, 2001, 01:15:00 AM »

Nah... aint a prollem with being a furball addict. I'm one myself. The prollem lies in trying to dictate or stigmatize one way of flying over another. Some folks love the furs, some the coordinated missions, some the historical aspect, some the hunter high alt stuff. It's all good.

Thing is, while lazs (who I rather like) doesn't appreciate people forcing their will upon the community - tellin' em how to fly - he's basically doing the same thing with this post. Ya can work hard to earn a perk plane, and take pains to maintain it... or ya eventually have one land in yer lap and use it to goof off. I mean....whichever, that's cool, right lazs?

Wmaker · « **Reply #24 on:** January 09, 2001, 08:31:00 AM »

...And what kinda sissy would fly blue planes?
Just as smart question as yours was lazs...

Wmaker · « **Reply #25 on:** January 09, 2001, 08:52:00 AM »

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lazs · « **Reply #26 on:** January 09, 2001, 10:10:00 AM »

ok, now we are getting to it... The 1C... The endless whining about it will end when it is a perk plane? Now it will be ok to be killed by one? It will no longer "spoil" fair fights with it's ungawdly climb, acceleration and manouverability coupled with it's "glance-o-deth" gunset? LOL! Real uber planes like the -4 will be treated with respect when u are killed by one because, after all, the guy was easy to avoid and he did "earn" it and ..... well, everyone will know it's a -4 and not a D by the little air ducts on the cowl and just avoid it if they don't want to get in a fight that they can't possibly win?

People are traumatized right now by the slightest imagined advantage of what amounts to a pretty well balanced planeset. How will they feel about being beat by a -4 or a Spit 14 or having a 152 or 47 M or whatever hit and run with immunity? Myself, I only flew the C over the D because the mg's didn't work well for me. With the new mg model I have been in the D only this tour and am just as happy.

There are better ways to introduce early and late war planes into the arena that will maintain balance and choice. The idiotic perk idea solves nothing but at worst, creates a whole set of new problems and at best, exaggerates existing problems.

A victory in one is a hollow one and a defeat by one is a bitter one.
lazs

lazs · « **Reply #27 on:** January 09, 2001, 10:20:00 AM »

nash... the issue isn't HOW you earn a perk plane... it's that they exist at all in an otherwise balanced arena. Do u feel any better if there are a dozen uber planes in the arena if you believe that the people that are in them "earned" them or, that when/if you kill the guy he will lose it and the next uber plane you are sweating bullets over is flown by someone different? and the next and the next and the next...

How many uber planes in the arena at a time is acceptable? How many to ruin the balance? I say 1 too many if he's around me.

Suddenly people aren't going to mind being killed by a plane that doesn't just have a guns advantage but is overall superior??? Naaa.... fly em all you like just make it so they can't come anywher near me right? Why would you want to attack my poor ol DHog with a -4 or Spit 14 anyway?
lazs

LJK Raubvogel · « **Reply #28 on:** January 09, 2001, 12:56:00 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs:
nash... the issue isn't HOW you earn a perk plane... it's that they exist at all in an otherwise balanced arena.

lazs

What arena are you flying in? The one I fly in is 75% C-hogs and Nikis. I don't care how lethal it is, I'd just like to fight something different once in a while.

Nash · « **Reply #29 on:** January 09, 2001, 01:08:00 PM »

I think he's talking about balance in terms of the plane-set.... the plane's abilities... er, right lazs?

The reasons fer the popularity of the Hog, and hence the unbalancing number (number - not performance) of them is due to people flocking to what they hear is this special uber plane, and the fact that you have a limited number of planes that can take off from the CV... the Hog being one of them.

I agree that that the number of Hogs is unbalanced with respect to the rest o the AC.... I'm just a little miffed at why this came about.