Author Topic: Socialist health care (Read 1998 times)

ra · « **on:** September 14, 2004, 03:03:01 PM »

One view from Canada.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #1 on:** September 15, 2004, 04:46:43 PM »

Off topic

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #2 on:** September 15, 2004, 04:52:33 PM »

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And far from criticizing the United States, some people are choosing to go south of the border to pay for operations in private hospitals -- institutions that are forbidden in Canada by the law that set up the publicly funded system.

And yes Canadians, some Americans do buy cheap socialiost canadian tax payer subsidized drugs from canada, thanks!

Maniac · « **Reply #3 on:** September 15, 2004, 04:52:37 PM »

Back seat moderation

Torque · « **Reply #4 on:** September 15, 2004, 05:13:42 PM »

Universal healthcare? well it has its good and bad points like any other system. From what i've seen the system gets clogged up with people who have had no preventative healthcare their entire lives, then they come here and require major operations or treatments thus jamming up the hospitals.

But then again there must be something to universal healthcare considering the life expectancy at birth has always been higher here in Canada than in the States, and the infant mortality rate has always been lower here as well.

Heck the infant mortality rate in DC is higher than Havana, go figure.

Gh0stFT · « **Reply #5 on:** September 15, 2004, 05:14:16 PM »

since the topic speaks about socialist health care, guess its global meant.
I wanted to point out, in germany my health insurance AOK made this year 1 billion profit. German Health reform a success?
absolutely yes!

R
Gh0stFT

ASTAC · « **Reply #6 on:** September 15, 2004, 05:15:43 PM »

Government run healthcare goes against capitalism therefore is socialist/communist. no "industry" should ever be controlled by a government.

Here's a scenario..What if I never need any kind of expensive treatment in my life? Yet I still have to give up my money to ensure someone else gets it? I do not believe in taking care of people not in my family. What did they do to earn it?

Nilsen · « **Reply #7 on:** September 15, 2004, 05:20:06 PM »

Havent needed any of our "socialist" healthcare yet (thank cod), but im more than willing to pay taxes for them. Guess I don't mind helping others that are not as fortunate.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #8 on:** September 15, 2004, 05:23:39 PM »

We already subsidize our 'free' education. I pay school taxes and do not have any children in school. You do too ASTAC.

The problem with subsidizing healthcare (and there are many) falls to the general attitude of people not willing to accept responsibilty for thier own health.
Subsidizing healthcare to pay for people who simply refuse to take care of themselves is not what I would call a good thing.

In some ways, we already do subsidize it, as the escalation of health insurance is a side effect of that.

Same with any insurance.

medicboy · « **Reply #9 on:** September 15, 2004, 05:24:47 PM »

We have socialist medicine in the states, it's just more available in some states than others, it's called welfare. California calls it medi-cal, most other states call it medic-aid. We in the ambulance biz in cali called it the California gold card, any treatment, any time, no bill, can't be turnd away. Sounds like congress's golden fleece retirement... mmmmm

Bodhi · « **Reply #10 on:** September 15, 2004, 05:30:22 PM »

oooh, a new one!!!

backseat moderation

I bet Skuzzy has the hugest smile ever when he moderates this stuff!

Skuzzy · « **Reply #11 on:** September 15, 2004, 05:32:45 PM »

OT: Honestly? You would lose the bet.

Sorry for the off topic remarks ra.

vorticon · « **Reply #12 on:** September 15, 2004, 05:32:54 PM »

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Originally posted by ASTAC
Government run healthcare goes against capitalism therefore is socialist/communist. no "industry" should ever be controlled by a government.

Here's a scenario..What if I never need any kind of expensive treatment in my life? Yet I still have to give up my money to ensure someone else gets it? I do not believe in taking care of people not in my family. What did they do to earn it?

hmm...minimum wage is also uncapitalist, saftey controls are uncapitalist etc. etc.

so your small portion of taxes is going to someone elses healthcare, instead of your larger amount you put into insurance going to someone elses healthcare, whats your point

AKIron · « **Reply #13 on:** September 15, 2004, 05:33:15 PM »

I have mixed feelings. Under our current system there are so many uninsured folks reliant on our doctors and hospitals that when a hospital gets a hold of someone with insurance or money they really sock it 'em. On the other hand, socialize medicine and you see very long waits for treatment like they are experiencing in Canada.

vorticon · « **Reply #14 on:** September 15, 2004, 05:38:40 PM »

on the long waiting lists:

the problem is caused by fewer doctors...higher pay in america is luring our doctors down there. the only solution to this is to offer even higher wages here, which honestly wouldent be to difficult for alberta (the province is getting rich rich rich from the oil) and ontario, but the rest of the country is ***'d...and im not sure why the provinces didnt accept martins proposal, sure its only $66 per person, but there looking at it wrong...put that amount towards luring doctors back up here with higher wages, and it seems like a much larger amount.