Author Topic: Socialist health care (Read 2002 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #75 on:** September 17, 2004, 09:53:21 AM »

torque... if that were true then those doctors either are doing all the high risk operations or are incompetent or both....

either way... you don't have to go to socialized medicine to fix that.

lazs

ASTAC · « **Reply #76 on:** September 17, 2004, 10:35:33 AM »

I tell you what..lets do it..Free helathcare for all.....hell lets add free food for all...lets not stop there free money for all..that way noone is sick..no one is hungry and no one has to work..Oh but wait...where will the money come from?

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AKIron · « **Reply #77 on:** September 17, 2004, 10:36:55 AM »

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Originally posted by ASTAC
I tell you what..lets do it..Free helathcare for all.....hell lets add free food for all...lets not stop there free money for all..that way noone is sick..no one is hungry and no one has to work..Oh but wait...where will the money come from?

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From the rich oppresive evil corporations.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #78 on:** September 17, 2004, 10:37:26 AM »

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Originally posted by ravells
You need judges awarding the damages and not juries.

Ravs

That does not work either. I sat on a civil case where the women abused her health, completely ignored her doctors recommendations and advice. She was sueing as she had a heart attack and blamed the doctor for it.

The jury awarded her $1.00. The judge overturned it and awarded her $6,000,000.00.

ASTAC · « **Reply #79 on:** September 17, 2004, 10:38:20 AM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
From the rich oppresive evil corporations.

If noone works there will be no corperations..no doctore for the healthcare..no farmers for the food.

ravells · « **Reply #80 on:** September 17, 2004, 03:22:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
That does not work either. I sat on a civil case where the women abused her health, completely ignored her doctors recommendations and advice. She was sueing as she had a heart attack and blamed the doctor for it.

The jury awarded her $1.00. The judge overturned it and awarded her $6,000,000.00.

The other thing about American jurisprudence is the prevalent idea of punitive damages. The concept on your side of the pond is that damages are not always meant to compensate but also act as a deterrent. This is what may have happened in your case, Skuzzy. Hence the idea there that a burglar can sue for falling through a skylight etc.

That said, Texan judges (and we are very familiar with them in the aviation insurance industry) tend to be a law unto themselves - utterly unpredictable. (I think you live in Texas, skuzzy, but correct me if I'm wrong).

I don't know the facts which applied to your case,but often there's a great difference to what juries see as culpable (lawyers can pull heartstrings) and what judges find culpable (they have seen all the lawyers' tricks before).

Ravs

ravells · « **Reply #81 on:** September 17, 2004, 03:24:58 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
From the rich oppresive evil corporations.

GO IRON!

ravs

Skuzzy · « **Reply #82 on:** September 17, 2004, 03:31:15 PM »

Ok, more details Ravs and an apology for being a bit off topic.

Ravs, you are correct about the system in Texas. We call it the Bubba system. Laws are irrelevant in a court room in Texas.

In the case I sat on, the person who was awarded the damages was an alcoholic (showed up drunk in the courtroom), she had been out the night before the heart attack partying and had just gotten home (4am or so) when her heart attack started.
She put it off as heartburn, but was (admittedly) too drunk to notice. It was not until about noon the next day before she called the doctor.
When she called the doctor, she described the situation as an intense case of heartburn. Anyway,...I do ont want to write a book about it.

The upshot was this; The judge had already agreed with the attorneys, before the trial, to award a minimum of $6M dollars, if the jury came back with less.

takeda · « **Reply #83 on:** September 17, 2004, 04:08:57 PM »

That judge and those attorneys should be put in irons and meet Bubba himself, then that name would have some sense...

Torque · « **Reply #84 on:** September 17, 2004, 04:10:28 PM »

Between 44,000 and 98,000 Americans die each year in hospitals as a result of medical errors. Even by the lower estimate number medical errors are the 8th leading cause of death in the States, ahead of car accidents, breast cancer, and AIDS.

Capping damages and injuries is just another form of socialism.

Or did Bush just sell you guys a bunch or sour grapes again?

"President Uses Dubious Statistics on Costs of Malpractice Lawsuits"

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=133

Skuzzy · « **Reply #85 on:** September 17, 2004, 04:16:20 PM »

Oh, the reason we came back with a $1 figure, was due to the way the 'charge' was written. The 'charge' is what the jury is to use as to what we were finding for.
The way the charge was written, basically asked us to find if she had a heart attack or not. Then to award damages based on the quality of life she lost due to the heart attack.

Back to your discussion. Sorry again.

ravells · « **Reply #86 on:** September 17, 2004, 05:38:52 PM »

Well, Skuzzy you're an intelligent, educated man, and I would say more so than most people who sit on juries.

Perhaps the judge's award was the 'Texas factor' - he probably had an interest in awarding the damages he did, but most judges are more conservative.

NOW! I expect you delete these last few posts for being off topic!
Yours and mine!

Ravs