Author Topic: Operations "Cope India 2004" USAF v IAF (Read 1253 times)

Gixer · « **on:** September 15, 2004, 07:25:55 PM »

Interesting read.

http://www.indiadefence.com/COPE.htm

~~...-Gixer~~

BigMan · « **Reply #1 on:** September 15, 2004, 07:51:02 PM »

Inflammatory

Gixer · « **Reply #2 on:** September 15, 2004, 08:27:48 PM »

Off topic

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 15, 2004, 09:12:59 PM »

Off topic

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #4 on:** September 15, 2004, 09:16:02 PM »

I wonder what systems were turned off in the 15's.

Gixer · « **Reply #5 on:** September 15, 2004, 10:22:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
I wonder what systems were turned off in the 15's.

None, they just didn't have they're usual AWAC's support.

~~...-Gixer~~

AKIron · « **Reply #6 on:** September 15, 2004, 10:33:27 PM »

Doesn't sound like a very fair matchup to me:

"According to Colonel Greg Neubeck, deputy commander of operations for the wing’s 3rd Operations Group and exercise director for Cope India, in these offensive and defensive missions, four F-15Cs were usually flying against ten or twelve of the same model Indian fighters. The 3rd Operations Group was responsible for the 3rd Wing’s flying mission. He further stated that what USAF faced was not only superior numbers, but also IAF pilots who were very proficient in their aircraft and smart on tactics, a tough combination for the USAF to overcome."

Gixer · « **Reply #7 on:** September 16, 2004, 12:50:35 AM »

Digging around for a bit more information on this.

Latest Australian Aviation magazine has a military brief. About this exercise.

"USAF has revealed that the four Alaska based F-15C's which took part in the Cope India exercise against the IAF were standard aircraft not the latest APG-63 AESA equipped varients. As anecdotal accounts continue to leak out about the exercise, it has also been revealed that the F-15's large radar and infrared signatures contributed to it's vulnerability against the SU-30 which is equipped with passive infrared search and track and long range AA-10 Alamo AAM's."

Unfortunetly since then the IAF has also said that they SU-30 didn't have their latest equipped varients as well. Not to mention that the SU-30 can easily out manouver the F15 with it's thrust vectoring.

Be interesting to watch how the arms race between IAF and PLA develops over the coming years for super power dominance in Asia. Especially since China has been given licence to produce the SU-30MK Flankers along with it's J10 production.

In another article apparently by 2015 the PLA is planning on having numerically the biggest fleet in Asia of modern third generation combat aircraft and weapons with some 450 SU-27's/J-11's and SU-30's and over 700 J-10's. Supplemented with AWAC's and Tankers.

They easily have the economy and infrastructure to support those numbers and more.

~~...-Gixer~~

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #8 on:** September 16, 2004, 01:17:46 AM »

Argh... that just stinks of "I hate the US" symdrome.

"As anecdotal accounts continue to leak out about the exercise"

Ugh...

Why dont all you confident Kiwis, Francos and Injuns get together and gang up on us? Im sure we could figure this little problem out real quick.

cpxxx · « **Reply #9 on:** September 16, 2004, 03:57:17 AM »

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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Argh... that just stinks of "I hate the US" symdrome.

"As anecdotal accounts continue to leak out about the exercise"

Ugh...

Why dont all you confident Kiwis, Francos and Injuns get together and gang up on us? Im sure we could figure this little problem out real quick.

Don't be paranoid. This is what it is really about.

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Interestingly the greatest benefactors of Indo-US Cope India 2004 may turn out to be the U S Aerospace giants Lockheed Martin and Boeing. Their product the F/A-22 Raptor fifth-generation air superiority fighter may get an extended production run to retain the American ?technological dominance?.

Hence the leakage. The subtext here is that the F15 is finished. We want more F/A-22's - Signed the USAF. That's the real plotline and is US originated.

But don't underestimate the capabilities of the Frenchies or the Kiwis or the Indians. Man for man, pilot for pilot they are as good or as well trained as the Americans. The Israelis are the best. Excpept the Kiwis got rid of their combat aircraft. America will always win from sheer size and capabilities. But one to one who knows?

Otto · « **Reply #10 on:** September 16, 2004, 04:19:00 AM »

Another "interesting read" :

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/futureweapons.html

The U.S. Air Force is moving more and more from being an 'Air' force to a 'Space' force.

Bluedog · « **Reply #11 on:** September 16, 2004, 04:29:38 AM »

If both the USAF and the Indian AF took on the RNZAF, they wouldn't be able to down a single Kiwi fighter.

I'd be willing to put money on that.

Gixer · « **Reply #12 on:** September 16, 2004, 04:48:57 AM »

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Originally posted by Bluedog
If both the USAF and the Indian AF took on the RNZAF, they wouldn't be able to down a single Kiwi fighter.

I'd be willing to put money on that.

LOL

Me too!

~~...-Gixer~~

straffo · « **Reply #13 on:** September 16, 2004, 05:19:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Argh... that just stinks of "I hate the US" symdrome.

"As anecdotal accounts continue to leak out about the exercise"

Ugh...

Why dont all you confident Kiwis, Francos and Injuns get together and gang up on us? Im sure we could figure this little problem out real quick.

you think we still have fighter ?
how uninformed you are ...

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #14 on:** September 16, 2004, 05:23:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Gixer
LOL

Me too!

~~...-Gixer~~

~~No more in service fighters in your air force?~~