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Offline Wanker

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Mother of killed soldier shouted down with "Four more years!"
« on: September 17, 2004, 09:13:57 AM »
This is how a crowd of Republicans treated the mother of a man who gave everything for his country.  

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/09/17/bush.protester/index.html

HAMILTON, New Jersey (CNN) -- The mother of a soldier killed in Iraq was arrested Thursday after interrupting a campaign speech by first lady Laura Bush. As police hauled her away, she shouted, "Police brutality." Wearing a T-shirt with the message "President Bush You Killed My Son," Sue Niederer of nearby Hopewell screamed questions at the first lady as the audience tried to drown her out by chanting, "Four more years! Four more years!"  She pressed on, refused to leave and eventually police removed her from the firehouse rally. The first lady finished her speech, praising the administration's achievements in the war on terror and the economy.  utside, Niederer said she wanted to ask Laura Bush "Why the senators, the legislators, the congressmen, why aren't their children serving?" She went on to blame the president for the death of her 24-year-old son, Army First Lieutenant Seth Dvorin. He was killed while trying to defuse a roadside bomb that exploded on him. "My son was in the Army, and he was killed February third this year," she said.

As the Hamilton police and Secret Service agents surrounded her and reporters pressed her with questions, she held her ground, claiming "I had my ticket" to attend the speech by the first lady. Police subsequently handcuffed her and she was led away to a nearby van. As she was escorted, she repeatedly shouted "Police brutality" and demanded to know her rights and the charges.  Later, she was charged with defiant trespass and released.

Since her son's death, the bereaved mother has spoken out repeatedly against the ongoing Iraq conflict. She is active in an anti-war protest group, Military Families Speak Out.  The Pittsburgh Independent Media Center reports she recently participated in demonstrations around the Republican National Convention in New York.

In March, The Toronto Star placed her outside Walter Reed Army Hospital in Washington, D.C. where many of the wounded soldiers are treated; Dover Air Force base where soldier remains arrive; and shouting at Secretary of State Colin Powell's motorcade after a speech at Princeton University.  Neither the Bush campaign nor the Hamilton Police would comment on the incident.
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2004, 09:16:41 AM »
When are these family members gonna stop dishonoring the memories of their loved ones? Everybody over there VOLUNTEERED for the military...anyone who joins knows the risk involved..and it was their choice.
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2004, 09:19:24 AM »
Flame bait
« Last Edit: September 17, 2004, 09:38:40 AM by Skuzzy »
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2004, 09:19:55 AM »
I feel sorry for the mother's loss, but I also feel that she is dishonoring the memory of her son.
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2004, 09:20:22 AM »
You must have had a son killed in the service of your country to pass judgement on her like that. My condolences.
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2004, 09:23:24 AM »
I looked up her son 2nd Lt. Seth Dvorin ..he graduated from Rutgers in 2002...there was much talk about going to iraq back then...I was on deployment at the time and was afraid we'd get extended for it (not afraid for my life..we Navy guys are relatively safe)...He had to have known that joining up at that time he would have a great chance of going over there...Makes me think he was a supported of the idea to still join knowing Iraq was about to happen...Therefore she dishonors him and what he believd in.

I do feel sorry for the loss...but you can't blame the president for a choice the boy made on his own.
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2004, 09:27:49 AM »
Flame bait
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2004, 09:30:28 AM »
So you haven't walked even one yard in her shoes.

Benefit of doubt given... and rescinded.
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2004, 09:31:37 AM »
I feel for her loss...and agree she has a right to protest...but inside an organized rally...disrupting someones speech..hell it wasn't even George she was interuppting...It was Laura..how does that make sense? Laura didn't start the war.
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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2004, 09:33:45 AM »
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I feel for her loss...and agree she has a right to protest...but inside an organized rally...disrupting someones speech..hell it wasn't even George she was interuppting...It was Laura..how does that make sense? Laura didn't start the war.


Saddam did.

And do you think for a second the son would be happy about what his mother is doing?
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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2004, 09:34:02 AM »
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"Bad mother, you dishonor your son.  You should be proud to have given a son for the fatherl...er, I mean this country.  Now, go away and grieve where nobody can hear you, we have an election to win this November."


banana,

I disagree with that.  I truly feel sorry for her loss.  I also feel that she is wrong for appearing at a rally as such and trying to cause a disturbance.  I do not feel she should run and hide in private, but I do feel that she chose the wrong venue to start an attack.  She chose the poor avenue of approach, to topp it off with disturbing the first lady's speech.  That is flat out wrong, she new it, and also knew she would get press coverage doing it.  

So, who is really exploiting who here?  The woman?  Or is it the anti-war group she is a member of?  I think, in the end, the anti-war group is most responsible for dishonoring those that volunteeered to go to Iraq.  They died doing what they believed in, not to further any parties political agenda.

My $ .02...

btw, does this mean my extension is void now?
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« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2004, 09:35:33 AM »
Certainly the woman has the right to express her grief and blame whoever she wants. I think there is probably nothing harder in this life than losing a child. Still, folks have the right to order at events like this too.
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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2004, 09:35:49 AM »
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Saddam did.


Oh? :rolleyes:
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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2004, 09:36:39 AM »
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Saddam did.

And do you think for a second the son would be happy about what his mother is doing?


No..and that was part of the point I was trying to make...but it's wasted on some of these guys.
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« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2004, 09:47:10 AM »
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banana,

I disagree with that.  I truly feel sorry for her loss.  I also feel that she is wrong for appearing at a rally as such and trying to cause a disturbance.  I do not feel she should run and hide in private, but I do feel that she chose the wrong venue to start an attack.  She chose the poor avenue of approach, to topp it off with disturbing the first lady's speech.  That is flat out wrong, she new it, and also knew she would get press coverage doing it.  

So, who is really exploiting who here?  The woman?  Or is it the anti-war group she is a member of?  I think, in the end, the anti-war group is most responsible for dishonoring those that volunteeered to go to Iraq.  They died doing what they believed in, not to further any parties political agenda.

My $ .02...

btw, does this mean my extension is void now?


Bodhi :)

No, your extension is still valid. This is just a debate among friends.

Now, as to your arguments.....

I will grant that making a spectacle of yourself at a public speech is not the most politically correct thing to do. On the other hand, though, how many audiences with bereaved parents or wives of deceased soldiers is President Bush granting? None? I thought so.

How else is the woman going to get attention from the administration? By sending a polite email and requesting an audience?

The point is.....she lost a son, and wants some answers to some tough questions.  The Republicans don't want to acknowledge the loss of life during the re-election campaign, because it's bad for vote garnering.

I would argue that instead of DIShonoring her son, she is honoring him by keeping his memory alive, and by demanding that his President, who sent him into battle, be held accountable.
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