Mother of killed soldier shouted down with "Four more years!"

[Wotan]

Originally posted by Westy
You guys should really stop making up stuff to suit your pov.

Here's the truth.

http://www.counterpunch.org/weill05222004.html



"you could leave the service any old time you wanted to"

lol.  banana? You didn't know you can if you have the right political connections and want to shill for Congressmen in Alabama?

Westy that interview is not "fact". It is the opinion of emotionally unstable woman.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by banana
That's news to me, I didn't realize you could leave the service any old time you wanted to.

It seems like a lot is news to you.  There are 2 soldiers from Rista getting out within the month.

[Muckmaw1]

Originally posted by Wotan
Westy that interview is not "fact". It is the opinion of emotionally unstable woman.

Written by the same guy who wrote the book:

"Imperial Crusades: Iraq, Afghanistan, and Yugoslavia"

Yes, there's an unbiased source.

[Westy]

Wotan her interview is much closer the FACTs than you, Martlet, Muckmaw or Steve will ever remotely get.

Discredit her and the source who interviewed her all you want. It's is the fashionable "righty" thing to do after all.  Realise thought you are still  making up "facts" when you say he knowingly and heroically gave his life for the war on terror.

[Steve]

Westy, all I said was the guy Volunteered.  As a graduate of rutgers, he had to be reasonably intelligent and aware of the troubles in the middle East.  where am I the least bit accurate in my "facts"?

[Westy]

Steve you implied the guy knew what he was getting into and that he made a sacrafice of himself.   What he "got" was a line of bull from the recruiter and ended up in IRaq trying to defuse a bomb when his training was anti-air artilleray.

[Steve]

Steve you implied the guy knew what he was getting into

I'm not implying it, I'm saying it.

He was an intelligent man,  had to be as a graduate of Rutgers.  Are you saying he was oblivious to the risks in volunteering at such a volatile time?

You are going off topic a bit though, let me expound.  The woman was shouted down for her protests, I think this was in poor taste.  I wish she would have been treated with as much respect as was practical.

[Wotan]

I know the facts; emotional unstable mother can't come to grips with the loss of her son so she lashes out and attempts to fix blame on anything she can. People die everyday and lots of loved ones follow this same pattern. She doesn’t need to be exploited for political purposes, she needs mental help.

Those folks at that rally didn’t know who she was or her situation. They saw a kook ranting and shouted her down.

"The recruiter lied to my son..."

Join the Army during war time expect to see some combat.

[Westy]

I agree on your point that it was in poor taste how she got shouted down but she also had chose the wrong venue, GOP rally, to scream questions at Laura Bush.



As for being a Rutgers grad and "knowing" what he was getting into? Since when did college mean one had common sense or street smarts.  I repeat.  He was fed a line of bull**** by the recruiter.  Label him gulllible if anything.

[Gloves]

Originally posted by banana
 I'm still waiting to hear how you Republicans feel about the crowd shouting down this woman. Doesn't sound like compassionate conservatism to me.

banana,

This is a pretty hard issue when you really think about it.  How many of the attendees could really hear what she (the mother suffering the loss) was saying?  My guess (and just a guess as I wasn't there) is that they only noticed somebody creating a commotion and responded in accordance.  Keep in mind, the attendees were probably paying attention to Mrs. Bush as she was the one they were there to see, so they may not have heard what the protester was saying, just that she was yelling about something.  If I had been there & heard her shouts without knowing what she was saying, I probably would have responded the same as the rest of the attendees.  Not a lack of compassion, but rather a reflex based on past situations where people improperly expressed their views.
 
I'm truly sorry for her loss and hope she is given a chance to PROPERLY express her grievances in public and with the Bush Administration.

Glove

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Westy
Discredit her and the source who interviewed her all you want. It's is the fashionable "righty" thing to do  

A tactic the left is no less guilty of.
that "Fashion" is worn well by both sides

He could have filed for conscientious objector status even without political connections.

My uncle did it during Nam and got out

[Wotan]

The source for the "line bull fed from a recruiter" comes from the emotional unstable mother. When you enlist you sign a contract. You also sign waver saying that any no promises were made beyond what is contained in the contract. He knew at the time he was asked to sign that contract exactly what he was getting into.

It doesn't matter what the recruiter may have said after that point.

The only fact you have on what he was trained for comes from the emotionally unstable mother. You haven’t posted any "fact" at all. The fact is her son signed up and joined willingly. Why he joined or what he expected when he joined won't ever be known because he is dead.

The woman admits to being "anti-war" to begin with and her son may have just fed her "a line of bull" about his motivations just to keep her off his back. I can speculate just like you can.

[Westy]

"A tactic the left is no less guilty of.  That "Fashion" is worn well by both sides"

 Both sides smear for sure.  But the "right" has taken it to a new, infamous dark art form in the last 10 years.

 As for Conscientious Objector status? He could have. We'll never know why he did not.  But have any idea how long it takes for that process to run?  He was long dead before it would have been 1/2 way thru the process had he even submitted the paperwork.  

Google "conscientious objector" and you'll see what I mean. There are soldiers who have gone for it. They do not get sent elsewhere nor do they get yanked off the front lines when they do.

[Muckmaw1]

Originally posted by Westy

As for being a Rutgers grad and "knowing" what he was getting into? Since when did college mean one had common sense or street smarts.  I repeat.  He was fed a line of bull**** by the recruiter.  Label him gulllible if anything.

Gullabe?

You've got to be kidding me.

They don't teach you how to sew in the military. They teach you how to shoot. And they teach you how to kill.

This guy had to know he might be expected to fight in the US FRIGGIN MILITARY in a post 9/11 world.

If he was too ignorant to realize this, he would have been too stupid to spell his own name on the contract

[Westy]

"I can speculate just like you can."

 No speculation here.  I'm refering to remarks made by the person closest to him, his mother. You're discrediting her interview and comments based on your unproffessinal evaluation of her state of mind in order to suit your pov.  That's the simple truth to it.

Out of curiosity Wotan, how many children do you have?




"If he was too ignorant to realize this, he would have been too stupid to spell his own name on the contract "


Ahhh. the ole VOSS defense where the victim deserved what they got.  WTG !