Mother of killed soldier shouted down with "Four more years!"

[Steve]

I agree on your point that it was in poor taste how she got shouted down but she also had chose the wrong venue, GOP rally, to scream questions at Laura Bush.

Westy, we're really right on the same page about how the woman behaved, and how she was treated.

As for being a Rutgers grad and "knowing" what he was getting into? Since when did college mean one had common sense or street smarts. I repeat. He was fed a line of bull**** by the recruiter. Label him gulllible if anything.

The son could have been gullible, certainly.  I also can envision recruiters being zealous about their job.  To answer your question about common sense:  well it has been traditionally held that once a person graduates from college he/she is mature/educated enough to make important decisions.  I mean, where do we draw the line?  When is  a person capable of making such decisions?

[demaw1]

Well very interesting topic, for me and others with sons/daughters in, or going in or maybe just of that age group.

 Wonder if westy or banana even have kids, cause if they do, and have never thought about their kids going before you do,or being killed in some way, what ever way,Id say something was wrong.

 If a person has children of any age, that alone makes them capable of commenting on the death of this ladys son. [God bless him, I for one knows, he knew what he was doing.]

 It is time for her to seek help and shut the hell up. It is now pure narcissism for her to continue this with no thought to the reputation and herioc actions of her son, or those still serving overthere.

 Now when I say shut the hell up I mean in this way ,not in the first admendment way.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Westy
No speculation here.   The guy enlisted to help with his bills and advance his potential future carreer in the CIA/FBI and his mother heard what was being dished to him by the recruiter.  They all bought it and just because you weren't hoodwinked by a recruiter doesn't make people who were less intellegent. Hence the "gullible" comment. I at least give the kid credit for trusting in people andnot being dumb. If that is speculation so be it. It's far less than you and the others here who try to literally make him out to be another Private Jessica.

And yes having children is important IMO as it's the vital ingrediant to understanding how a parent thinks and feels.  Otherwise a non-parents "expert" opinion is like that of the celibate priest who lectures others on what marriage and sex are al about.

 Nothing you've said has caused me to change my pov but in fact you've helped strengthened it.   Thank you.


"GWB didn't kill her son."

 Of course Bush didn't place the bomb in the road that killed him.

It's amazing that the left wingers, the majority of whom have never served a day in their lives, all assume servicemen are idiots.

[fd ski]

look up last "who was in service" threat. you'll be suprized.

[Steve]

Steve you implied the guy knew what he was getting into and that he made a sacrafice of himself. What he "got" was a line of bull from the recruiter and ended up in IRaq trying to defuse a bomb when his training was anti-air artilleray.

Change the post after I replied to it?  Underhanded.

[Lazerus]

Originally posted by Martlet
It's amazing that the left wingers, the majority of whom have never served a day in their lives, all assume servicemen are idiots.

This is OT, but I've found that people that would never volunteer to serve, for whatever reason, tend to think that their opinion of the military is the right one, which I can understand. But many of them express their opinion with verbal disdain for the people that do volunteer, thinking that their superior understanding, or intelligence, or whatever it is they think they have that led them to believe that it's just not the right thing to do, is just that, superior. Of course, we all do this to some degree with all manner of subjects. Even politics.

As far as supposition goes, no one knows what transpired when that guy enlisted. "The person he was closest to"? You don't know that either. Lots of assuming and none of us will ever know what really happened.

[Nash]

Sad topic.

It reminds me of the guy that tried to set himself on fire in a truck.

The woman is unhinged. The only thing she is saying is that she loved her son. She's not going about it in good way. Poor gal.

[oboe]

I think you guys have a reasonable difference of opinion on the actions of the greiving mother, but what do you think about the crowd's behavior in attempting to drown her out with chants of "Four more years...four more years!"?

If there is such a thing as "compassionate conservatism", here was an opportunity to demonstrate it squandered.     And it wouldn't have cost a cent.    I'm not a big fan of disruptive protests, but I can understand the mother's actions.   But, the crowd's response sickens me.

[Westy]

Nothing underhanded at all Steve.  I edited my post to add to it, not change it all around, at the SAME exact time you replied yesterday.  Or maybe I'm clairvoiyant and I knew what you were going to say!


 Martlet I wouldn't just assume someone is an idiot for no reason.  I mean look at you. In your case you've proven it seven times over in here with your deaf ears, poor reading comprehension and rabid Jay Severin imitation.  As for the prior service commen I'm not sure where you're coming from with that as it's a kind of wacked out thought onyour part.  If it makes you feel better (not really. I'm just being a smartass) I did four years in the US navy.



"no one knows what transpired when that guy enlisted."

Lazerus. His mother said she heard from the horses mouth (recruiter) the empty promises and assurances.

[rpm]

Originally posted by Martlet
It's amazing that the left wingers, the majority of whom have never served a day in their lives, all assume servicemen are idiots.

Martlet, that is by far the least intelligent thing you have posted. Just because someone is a liberal, does not mean they are not a patriot. Except in the eyes of conservatives.

We've done the "who served" thing over and over in here and I believe it balances out.  Just because you vote Republican (those that actually take the time to vote and not just ride the "I hate democrats" bandwagon) does not make you more of a patriot. Nor does it give you the right to arrest and imprison someone that differs with your views.

This administration has a particularly disturbing habit of jailing the dissenting. Isn't that what we we told the evil oppressive Communists did to their people who spoke out?

[Gh0stFT]

This woman said she wanted to ask Laura Bush "Why the senators, the legislators, the congressmen, why aren't their children serving?"

actually i find it a good question, to bad no answere.

R
Gh0stFT

[Martlet]

Originally posted by rpm371
Martlet, that is by far the least intelligent thing you have posted. Just because someone is a liberal, does not mean they are not a patriot. Except in the eyes of conservatives.

We've done the "who served" thing over and over in here and I believe it balances out.  Just because you vote Republican (those that actually take the time to vote and not just ride the "I hate democrats" bandwagon) does not make you more of a patriot. Nor does it give you the right to arrest and imprison someone that differs with your views.

This administration has a particularly disturbing habit of jailing the dissenting. Isn't that what we we told the evil oppressive Communists did to their people who spoke out?

But it gives you the right to profess US Servicemen and women are too stupid to make an informed decision?  That response is directly proportionate to the quote it was referring to.  If you take offense then you obviously fit the bill.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Westy
Nothing underhanded at all Steve.  I edited my post to add to it, not change it all around, at the SAME exact time you replied yesterday.  Or maybe I'm clairvoiyant and I knew what you were going to say!


 Martlet I wouldn't just assume someone is an idiot for no reason.  I mean look at you. In your case you've proven it seven times over in here with your deaf ears, poor reading comprehension and rabid Jay Severin imitation.  As for the prior service commen I'm not sure where you're coming from with that as it's a kind of wacked out thought onyour part.  If it makes you feel better (not really. I'm just being a smartass) I did four years in the US navy.



"no one knows what transpired when that guy enlisted."

Lazerus. His mother said she heard from the horses mouth (recruiter) the empty promises and assurances.

Ahhh.  I get it.  Since YOU were stupid enough to buy the recruiters bit hook, line, and sinker you assume everyone else is also.

You would never understand Jay Severin.  He's leagues above you.

[Scootter]

Originally posted by Gh0stFT
This woman said she wanted to ask Laura Bush "Why the senators, the legislators, the congressmen, why aren't their children serving?"

actually i find it a good question, to bad no answere.

R
Gh0stFT

Several are serving, I read somewere that the number is 18 or so have children in the milatary.

Look it up to get the correct count, but to imply none are serving is not a fact, sounds good if you want to further a cause but still untrue.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Scootter
Several are serving, I read somewere that the number is 18 or so have children in the milatary.

Look it up to get the correct count, but to imply none are serving is not a fact, sounds good if you want to further a cause but still untrue.

anyone have that data available?
I'd love to have it to throw at my neighbor