Author Topic: This is The End (Read 3330 times)

phookat · « **Reply #30 on:** September 20, 2004, 12:24:25 PM »

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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
And this made it acceptable to gang up on Rooks all the time because, well, "they have numbers."

Again, I don't think most folks see it that way. The horde mentality is there, but applies equally to all countries and equally against all countries. From a nit perspective, I also sometimes see both fronts busy...but I see that as a statistical anomaly.

Also, what Furious said about the current map is very true. The SSE side of the map lends itself to fights. Our bish border is pretty lame all the way around. So I am heading to the rook front more often--not because I think rooks "deserve" it or whatever, but just because the map is better designed for fights there.

mars01 · « **Reply #31 on:** September 20, 2004, 12:30:14 PM »

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As to the Truce, Id like to venture a guess as to what it is and its origins.

There isn't any standing truce between knights and Bish. I know that this was attempted one Sunday night in response to the Rook RJO and from reading other posts about it, it was very hard to keep. I don't know of any attempts that have been made to do it again.

I don't think the Rooks are a hated enemy either, I think phookat sums it up..

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Again, I don't think most folks see it that way. The horde mentality is there, but applies equally to all countries and equally against all countries. From a nit perspective, I also sometimes see both fronts busy...but I see that as a statistical anomaly.

Also, what Furious said about the current map is very true. The SSE side of the map lends itself to fights. Our bish border is pretty lame all the way around. So I am heading to the rook front more often--not because I think rooks "deserve" it or whatever, but just because the map is better designed for fights there.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #32 on:** September 20, 2004, 12:32:09 PM »

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Originally posted by mars01
... so you can step off the "I know it all, I'm the almighty authority soap box".

... Who's the hypocrit here?

... Again the Hypocracy is yours.

I'm not lookin to get into some show down with you, I could care less about that. ...

What's wrong with this picture?

-DoK

Zanth · « **Reply #33 on:** September 20, 2004, 12:49:09 PM »

I don't know what it may look like, feel like, or seem like - but here is the way it really is (current as of about an hour ago for this tour) Here are the facts, and facts don't lie:

The Bishops have 87895 (29%) kills and have been killed 102725 (34%) times against all countries.

The Bishops have 47709 kills (54%) and have been killed 55471 (54%) times against the Knights.
The Bishops have 40181 kills (45%) and have been killed 47249 (46%) times against the Rooks.

The Knights have 108849 (36%) kills and have been killed 102476 (34%) times against all countries.

The Knights have 53373 (49%) kills and have been killed 54754 (53%) times against the Rooks.
The Knights have 55473 (51%) kills and have been killed 47716 (47%) times against the Bishops.

The Rooks have 102015 (34%) kills and have been killed 93562 (31%) times against all countries.

The Rooks have 47250 (46%) kills and have been killed 40183 (43%) times against the Bishops.
The Rooks have 54761 (54%) kills and have been killed 53376 (57%) times against the Knights.

All countries have 298775 kills and have been killed 298775 times against all countries.

detch01 · « **Reply #34 on:** September 20, 2004, 12:50:14 PM »

Dok . agree 100%. AH is a technical master-piece and the crew at HTC deserve more kudos than they're getting for their efforts and talent however the player base isn't living up to the potential of the game they've got in their hands.
The growth of the player base has completely outstripped the community's ability to handle it with the tools available. AH is lacking the community support systems needed to turn the player base into a community - things like a visible and enforceable TOS, a trainer corp that noobs can find without effort and visible in-game monitors with the power to enforce the TOS. The result are visible in the MA and on these boards every day. It's too bad really, AH is the finest of its breed and it's played like a third rate 1st person shooter.

mars01 · « **Reply #35 on:** September 20, 2004, 12:50:28 PM »

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The reason this doesn't add up to you is you don't have 17 years of playing, observing, contributing, and designing this kind of game in your background. What I see and what you see are completely different.

Like I said I'm not looking for a show down, you seem to have a chip on your shoulder or maybe I am reading you wrong and if that is the case I apologize.

I took your reply and the above quote as a pompous line of crap. You don't know me or how much time I have and that really isn't very relevant here.

Your mad because you got ganged and people were flying low level bombers. This has been happening to the Bish and Knights for quite some time all while the Rooks have enjoyed relative dominance in the MA for a while. The whole ENY crap started because the long standing Rook numbers broke the cycle and stopped it.

Then you are acting like some conspiracy is being plot against the Rooks instead of realizing it is cyclical and the dominant team always ends up being double teamed and at some point the dominance shifts to another country.

That's all I am trying to say, I'll leave it at that.

hogenbor · « **Reply #36 on:** September 20, 2004, 12:54:41 PM »

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Originally posted by xHaMmeRx
"I fly for one reason - to shoot down other people. I could care less if that's from the side with 5 bases or 50 bases. It just doesn't matter. The enjoyment is in the hunt and the kill. If the bad guys are attacking one of "my" bases, no problem. I will shoot them down there. If we are attacking one of their bases, fine. I will shoot them down there. If there's a big furball between 2 bases, that is where I will go. It's what I enjoy. It's what is fun for me. As long as I can find somewhere away from a horde (or find a spot where the horde is even on both sides!), I am happy.

It doesn't matter what else is going on in the arena - do what is fun for you. If you like JABO, go JABOing. If you like heavy bombers, take em up and drop some bombs. Do it in support of a base capture or hit some target that you want to hit. But remember, in the end, it doesn't matter. This isn't real life and nobody cares tomorrow who wins today. "

I couldn't have said it better myself.

A few days back I logged on after reading the 'Urchin' thread. For the two years I've been playing this game I have been annoyed by the way people treat each other here. Now even more so. So I said I was pissed and that I was going to kill some people. Funny thing was that after I landed 4 kills a while later, people asked me if I was still angry. Funny that.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #37 on:** September 20, 2004, 01:00:39 PM »

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Originally posted by mars01
Like I said I'm not looking for a show down, you seem to have a chip on your shoulder or maybe I am reading you wrong and if that is the case I apologize.

I took your reply and the above quote as a pompus line of crap. You don't know me or how much time I have and that really isn't very relavant here.

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It wasn't meant that way.

It was more meant to drive home the point that this wasn't about "one night" or "one base capture" sending me cartwheeling off the deep end. It was the bigger picture which really bothered me.

We're cool, mars.

-DoK

Steve · « **Reply #38 on:** September 20, 2004, 01:05:05 PM »

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and still the Bish/Knits insist on this "imaginary" truce (which I accept isn't official, but it's still happening and still being condoned

Wait, there is a truce so rooks have plenty of targets? Dust off the 51, I'm coming back!

Why would you want to quit? I got bored because I couldn't find a decent fight, just pigeons waiting to be shot off the fence.

Whooo hooo!!!

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #39 on:** September 20, 2004, 01:12:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Zanth
I don't know what it may look like, feel like, or seem like - but here is the way it really is (current as of about an hour ago for this tour) Here are the facts, and facts don't lie:

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But what do these facts mean?

Do they factor in the deaths of swarms of low B17's?

Maybe there are fewer rook deaths because there are fewer rooks?

Maybe that's a lot of rook deaths for the number of rooks flying?

It's like a discussion in another thread about how plane usage changed from AH1 to AH2 ... without seeing sortie rates to each target area, the k/d are completely open to interpretation. I'm not disputing your numbers, I just can't draw any conclusions about odds as faced in the air from them.

-DoK

LtPillur · « **Reply #40 on:** September 20, 2004, 01:30:56 PM »

And I thought not being good at this game/sim was a bad thing. It really isn't. Yeah see I go up and in a few seconds I come down in pieces! It doesn't matter if it's a hord, a bad eny night, or a simple 1 vs 1. In the end I die. Maybe we should change the game so that getting shot down is the point!. No hordes, "no he stole my kill", no check 6's. Just up and down.

Seriously...has AH always been this unhappy or is it just started at about the time i started posting?
Peace
Pillur

kj714 · « **Reply #41 on:** September 20, 2004, 01:40:55 PM »

I didn't play any yesterday, but I have been hitting Rook bases mostly this map for one reason - they are the closest ones where the action is. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the way I remember it. The bish are (or were) mostly cutoff by the mountains. I have participated in exactly 1 mission that cut thru a steep valley to a bish base. Nobody was home so it was boring. The goon crashed at least a couple of times trying to get thru the mountains, the bish upped from an adjacent base and came in on the cap with 15k alt. Everybody lost interest and moved on.

kj714 · « **Reply #42 on:** September 20, 2004, 01:44:39 PM »

"Do they factor in the deaths of swarms of low B17's?"

Dok - everybody does this, including Rooks. This is an adjustemnt to game play since fuel can't be porked. I think it was predicted as such.

DoKGonZo · « **Reply #43 on:** September 20, 2004, 01:46:28 PM »

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Originally posted by LtPillur
And I thought not being good at this game/sim was a bad thing. It really isn't. Yeah see I go up and in a few seconds I come down in pieces! It doesn't matter if it's a hord, a bad eny night, or a simple 1 vs 1. In the end I die. Maybe we should change the game so that getting shot down is the point!. No hordes, "no he stole my kill", no check 6's. Just up and down.

Seriously...has AH always been this unhappy or is it just started at about the time i started posting?
Peace
Pillur

The games go through cycles.

Your comment also highlights something else that seems to be getting mentioned one way or another. That many players feel they'll be bad at this - or at least never get really "good" - no matter what. It is a steep learning curve - and that will never change, nor should it.

-DoK

detch01 · « **Reply #44 on:** September 20, 2004, 01:52:26 PM »

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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
The games go through cycles.

Your comment also highlights something else that seems to be getting mentioned one way or another. That many players feel they'll be bad at this - or at least never get really "good" - no matter what. It is a steep learning curve - and that will never change, nor should it.
-DoK

But it does highlight the need for a stronger set of tools for the community.