Author Topic: Kerry is holding public office illegally... (Read 1221 times)

JBA · « **Reply #15 on:** September 23, 2004, 10:23:46 PM »

LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS RELATING TO THE WAR IN SOUTHEAST ASIA
THURSDAY, APRIL 22, 1971

UNITED STATES SENATE;
COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN RELATIONS,
Washington, D.C.

The committee met, pursuant to notice, at 11:05 a.m., in Room 4221, New Senate Office Building, Senator J. W. Fulbright (Chairman) presiding.

Present: Senators Fulbright, Symington, Pell, Aiken, Case, and Javits.

The CHAIRMAN. Do you support or do you have any particular views about any one of them you wish to give the committee?

Mr. KERRY. My feeling, Senator, is undoubtedly this Congress, and I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but I do not believe that this Congress will, in fact, end the war as we would like to, which is immediately and unilaterallyand, therefore, if I were to speak I would say we would set a date and the date obviously would be the earliest possible date. But I would like to say, in answering that, that I do not believe it is necessary to stall any longer.I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points it has been stated time and time again, and was stated by Senator Vance Hartke when he returned from Paris, and it has been stated by many other officials of this Government, if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned.

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In his own words "I have been to Pairs and meet with PRG, that would be the north VN government, or perhaps you could call them the ENEMY.

Damn that one will leave a mark.

Nash · « **Reply #16 on:** September 23, 2004, 10:25:42 PM »

Cool, but that wasn't a link to any discussion of it by us.

And the subject itself, imho, is silly.

JBA · « **Reply #17 on:** September 23, 2004, 10:34:15 PM »

The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) is a federal law, enacted by Congress. Its provisions are contained in United States Code, Title 10, Chapter 47. Article 36 of the UCMJ allows the President to prescribe rules and procedures to implement the provisions of the UCMJ. The President does this via the Manual for Courts-Martial (MCM) which is an executive order that contains detailed instructions for implementing military law for the United States Armed Forces.

The UCMJ states:

ART. 104. AIDING THE ENEMY

Any person who--

(1) aids, or attempts to aid, the enemy with arms, ammunition, supplies, money, or other things; or

(2) without proper authority, knowingly harbors or protects or gives intelligence to or communicates or corresponds with or holds any intercourse with the enemy, either directly or indirectly;

shall suffer death or such other punishment as a court-martial or military commission may direct.

What we know.

"I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points...

Sandman · « **Reply #18 on:** September 23, 2004, 10:36:07 PM »

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Originally posted by ra
Where is war mentioned in the quote from the constitution?

"or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

Officially, Vietnam wasn't a war.

rpm · « **Reply #19 on:** September 23, 2004, 10:51:16 PM »

Well I guess we need to round up Henry Kissinger and all the other traitorous scum that were at the peace talks. Does anybody have the names of those US officials, Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine personel that were in Paris. We can line all of them up against the wall and get it over with. Hey, we can get all those sorry good for nothing Korean War peace negotiators while we are at it and have a real shindig. Laser, you want to be the trigger man?

Nash · « **Reply #20 on:** September 23, 2004, 10:51:29 PM »

"Officially, Vietnam wasn't a war"

oops...

rpm · « **Reply #21 on:** September 23, 2004, 10:56:21 PM »

I just realised, President Reagan met Gorby and even let the commie bastage sleep in the White House during the Cold War when they were our enemy. You know Nancy had to serve them something. That's definitely aid and comfort. Put her against the wall too.

JBA · « **Reply #22 on:** September 23, 2004, 11:12:23 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm371

I was going to reponsed, but why bother.

rpm · « **Reply #23 on:** September 23, 2004, 11:20:30 PM »

Exactly JBA. Laser's whole premise is asinine.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #24 on:** September 23, 2004, 11:58:33 PM »

while you are doing your reading try skimming over the part about "presumption of innocence until proven guilty in a court of law".

even if we were to give any credit to your interpretation of his actions, theres still a problem.

he was never charged, never tried, never convicted, for all legal purposes it didn't happen.

while you're reaching way out there anyway. why don't you see if you can stick some charges on Bush, with the damage he's done to this country, you'd likely reach him before Kerry.

amazing that Americans could think that a man speaking his mind, and testifying before congress (on a subject that I've heard no-one claim, was in any way classified) would be treason.

you have a vastly different idea of what makes a traitor, a patriot, or some blind sheep who bleats along with the herd, than I do.

maybe you're living in a different America than I grew up in. lately it seems that I am too.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #25 on:** September 24, 2004, 12:01:35 AM »

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Originally posted by rpm371
Well I guess we need to round up Henry Kissinger and all the other traitorous scum that were at the peace talks. Does anybody have the names of those US officials, Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine personel that were in Paris. We can line all of them up against the wall and get it over with. Hey, we can get all those sorry good for nothing Korean War peace negotiators while we are at it and have a real shindig. Laser, you want to be the trigger man?

It is illegal for plain civilans, not acting as agents of the US government, to engage in such talks with representatives foreign governments. John Kerry was not there as an agent of the US government.. So your argument is pointless RPM, but nice try..

Sandman · « **Reply #26 on:** September 24, 2004, 12:06:57 AM »

New conservative protest theme: Dissent is TREASON!!

rpm · « **Reply #27 on:** September 24, 2004, 12:12:45 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
It is illegal for plain civilans, not acting as agents of the US government, to engage in such talks with representatives foreign governments. John Kerry was not there as an agent of the US government.. So your argument is pointless RPM, but nice try..

Care to show me where it is illegal for a civilian to engage in peace talks with diplomats? I'm thinking we have a lot of people to jail.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #28 on:** September 24, 2004, 12:48:30 AM »

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Originally posted by rpm371
Care to show me where it is illegal for a civilian to engage in peace talks with diplomats? I'm thinking we have a lot of people to jail.

I cant find a direct link to the law but every news article about this mentions it..

Here is a CNN link.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/23/swiftboat.ad/index.html

"U.S. law forbids private citizens from negotiating with foreign governments on matters such as peace treaties."

Even Kerry's biased spin admits he was seriously close to violating that law, so you can guess what the truth ofd the mattrer was...

RTSigma · « **Reply #29 on:** September 24, 2004, 12:55:20 AM »

God, we're all online pilots and we have 9 to 5 jobs...but now suddenly we're government workers that read the constitution and pick out the little things that probably someone would have done so BY NOW in the media and/or in public.