Author Topic: Kerry is holding public office illegally... (Read 1220 times)

Sandman · « **Reply #45 on:** September 24, 2004, 07:45:01 PM »

...in other words, "He has committed no crime."

NEXT!

SaburoS · « **Reply #46 on:** September 24, 2004, 07:57:16 PM »

Grun,
I couldn't care less the political affilliation of the individual that tries to secure the release of our own, provided he's not giving up anything in return. That to me is a very pro-active, pro-American thing to do.
Now if on the other hand, someone was giving up secrets, intel, etc., to make a deal, then I'd say charge him with treason!
Fact: Kerry has neither been charged, nor convicted of treason as no crime has been committed.
But feel free to keep spinning it.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #47 on:** September 24, 2004, 07:59:53 PM »

US law forbids private citizens from negotiating with foreign governments wrt to peace treaties and such..

Even the best Kerry's SPIN people can say in defense is that he skirted the boundary of that law.

But I see that doesnt bother you, if anything it just seems to make you like Kerry more...

But hey ABB, right?

Martlet · « **Reply #48 on:** September 24, 2004, 08:02:16 PM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS

Fact: Kerry has neither been charged, nor convicted of treason as no crime has been committed.
But feel free to keep spinning it.

So unless someone has been tried and convicted of a crime, a crime hasn't been committed?

Nash · « **Reply #49 on:** September 24, 2004, 08:03:16 PM »

CAPTURE AND ARREST JIMMY CARTER IMMEDIATELY!

SaburoS · « **Reply #50 on:** September 24, 2004, 08:03:24 PM »

LOL, oh trust me, I'm not a fan of Kerry's.

SaburoS · « **Reply #51 on:** September 24, 2004, 08:33:09 PM »

Originally posted by Martlet :
"So unless someone has been tried and convicted of a crime, a crime hasn't been committed?"

Per your general question:

1) We need to see if a crime has in fact been committed.
2) If true, then we need to find the suspect, then if the facts warrant, then...
3) Charges are brought against the suspect and....
4) He is tried in a court of law.
5) Only then if found guilty, is he then guilty of the crime.

But let's unspin this back to if Kerry did in fact negotiate with NV officials. What did he offer? In what way do you know for a fact he compromised National Security? Kerry even waaay back when testified that he in fact did have contact with NV officials. That alone didn't seem to warrant charges being filed against him. He said he was trying to see about the release of American POW's.
Here's my guess: Had this been a Republican that tried it, you'd all be saying "What a wonderful American!"

What criteria do you use when making statements? When someone made charges of Bush being AWOL(http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/newreply.php?s=&action=newreply&postid=1352823), you responded:

Originally posted by Martlet : "More charges of AWOL? Could you post a link to the NJP procedings?"

Seems you(as well as some others) have one set of criteria for Republicans and another for Democrats as to guilt or innocence.

Nash · « **Reply #52 on:** September 24, 2004, 08:36:00 PM »

SHAKAKAN!

Manedew · « **Reply #53 on:** September 25, 2004, 12:17:08 AM »

so isn't he talkign about Regan?

Nash · « **Reply #54 on:** September 25, 2004, 12:17:54 AM »

(u mean boosh sr.)

dragoon · « **Reply #55 on:** September 25, 2004, 02:18:35 AM »

<------gonna vote for Kerry

anything to get Butch outta the whitehouse:lol

Martlet · « **Reply #56 on:** September 25, 2004, 07:15:15 AM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS
Originally posted by Martlet :
"So unless someone has been tried and convicted of a crime, a crime hasn't been committed?"

Per your general question:

1) We need to see if a crime has in fact been committed.
2) If true, then we need to find the suspect, then if the facts warrant, then...
3) Charges are brought against the suspect and....
4) He is tried in a court of law.
5) Only then if found guilty, is he then guilty of the crime.

But let's unspin this back to if Kerry did in fact negotiate with NV officials. What did he offer? In what way do you know for a fact he compromised National Security? Kerry even waaay back when testified that he in fact did have contact with NV officials. That alone didn't seem to warrant charges being filed against him. He said he was trying to see about the release of American POW's.
Here's my guess: Had this been a Republican that tried it, you'd all be saying "What a wonderful American!"

What criteria do you use when making statements? When someone made charges of Bush being AWOL(http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/newreply.php?s=&action=newreply&postid=1352823), you responded:

Originally posted by Martlet : "More charges of AWOL? Could you post a link to the NJP procedings?"

Seems you(as well as some others) have one set of criteria for Republicans and another for Democrats as to guilt or innocence.

You can't even compare the two discussions, however I'm not surprised you went back months to find an attempt to change the topic.

First, negotiating with the enemy in a time of war while holding a public office isn't allowed. It's been shown here it isn't allowed. If you're arguing it IS allowed, then you need to get someone to help you read. Second, Kerry ADMITTED to doing this. Are you saying he's lying? So, we have established the guidelines for what's allowed and we have a confession. Why hasn't there been a trial? Because people don't care. It was a crappy war, American opinion was in turmoil, and prosecuting protestors was bad form. If Kerry had negotiated with Hitler during WWII it would have been another story.

Now Bush. First, it's been shown he missed 6 months of drills. That isn't AWOL unless he isn't excused. He doesn't even have to make them up if he is excused. He just won't get credit for the year if he finishes without enough points. However, his pay records indicate he DID make them up. The Democraps have been beating this horse for 4 years and have yet to find a single shred of evidence that he was AWOL. So, if you're going to say he was AWOL, prove it. His pay records prove otherwise.

So no, I don't have a different set of guidelines. I just expect evidence.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #57 on:** September 25, 2004, 10:01:44 AM »

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Originally posted by dragoon
<------gonna vote for Kerry

anything to get Butch outta the whitehouse:lol

Al Queda approves!:aok

AWMac · « **Reply #58 on:** September 25, 2004, 10:49:24 AM »

Kerry and Osama Bin Ladin '04

Boycott Heintz Catsup and French Fries...

Heh Just figure how much money Kerry and Teresa has and all the starving people in America...

Let them eat cake....

Fanning the Flames of Freedom.

Free America!

dragoon · « **Reply #59 on:** September 25, 2004, 02:07:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Al Queda approves!:aok

say.....i hear they are in butches pocket not kerrys:rolleyes: