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Offline Torque

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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2004, 11:04:59 AM »
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This is going to be the worst election ever.

I may be a Republican, but I don't want to vote for Bush.

Kerry is ok, but I've seen better.


How is Nader and Perot doing?


No chit

One has the charisma of a wet bowling ball and the other has the communication skills of a mongoloid chimp.

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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2004, 11:05:39 AM »
suave... I would agree but the analysts don't go far enough.  it is not only "who looks the more authenticaly human" but who looks the least like a politician and more like a favorite uncle.

kerrie looks like a $1000 a haircut liberal politician.   he looks that way because he is.   I don't think he can remake that image in a month or so... I don't think he even knows how.

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« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2004, 11:09:21 AM »
He doesn't have to. It's only a liability to people like you, who would rather vote for their favorite uncle.

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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2004, 11:11:28 AM »
To be honest, I didn't think Bush's poor show was due to lack of speaking ability.  It seemed to me that it was due to not knowing what he was talking about, and having nothing to say or respond with.  Being coherent and articulate is not just a matter of speaking ability.  It is also a matter of being intelligent and knowledgable and having an organized mind--when you have those, the speech comes naturally.  Reagan was a good Prez for this reason IMO.  Happens to me too--when I'm doing a brief, if I'm winging it, I fumble and make an bellybutton of myself.  When I know what I'm talking about it comes out great.  Has nothing to do with my "speaking ability", which is nothing special.

Bush was speaking fine when he had a point to make--honestly I don't think his speaking ability was the disaster everyone is making it out to be.  It was when he _didn't_ have a point that it was painful to watch.  Kerry seemed to answer all the arguments, and when it was Bush's turn he just repeated the same stuff again.  More than ever he sounded like a scripted puppet--given a few lines to start with, but can't think up any responses to fresh positions.

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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2004, 11:12:07 AM »
I try to stay away from these napalm-spewing threads on politics because no-one actually discusses anything. Instead, they are mostly a conduit for the misinformed to dispense misinformation back and forth at light speed to exponentially expand the largest voting block in America: Misinformed people with the right to mark a ballot.

Half of the registered voters are below average intelligence and no other special interest group in the nation has that kind of influence. Effectively courting the stupid is an important part of any political campaign.

Now, you'd think this would be easy since the target voter isn't very bright, but it's harder and more sophisticated than one might imagine. First, random distribution implies that half of all the people attending a rally are stupid. How does the politician appeal to them and still appeal to the other half who possess above-average intelligence and a have a particular issue of importance?

Obviously, that was a trick question because it isn't necessary to appeal to anyone at a rally. Both stupid and above average attendees are already supporters so the candidate only needs to be propped up on stage like a washed-up rock band from the 1970's. Just play the same old songs (or say the same old things) at the right time and the fans will cheer and tell all their friends how lucky they were to see them in person. There was a 'connection.'

You wouldn't go see a band in concert unless you were a fan, or were trying to get into the panties of your date. If you were already a fan, you likely came away saying, "The band was, like, you know, so good and, like, they really rocked... dude." And if you did get into those panties after the concert, you became a 'hardcore' fan.

The only thing the candidate needs to do is have 1 or 2 fresh sounds bites for the 6 p.m. news handed to him on a 3 x 5 card before the opening act finishes. These sound bites should always appeal to the stupid so the sound bite contains loud whooping and hollering.

Now, I need to bring up an important aspect about the female vote. Some will argue that the female demographic group is larger than the stupid demographic group. Well, an interesting dynamic comes into effect when considering trending the female vote. Half are in the stupid group to start with and a major factor for both stupid and non-stupid women is the 'would I do him... or the other guy' question. Look back at the winners and losers since the televised campaigns and you can easily see the pattern. The winner didn't have to a hunk, he just had to be more 'doable' than the opponent. Since presidential candidates continue to be men, only a small percentage of men (except for San Francisco area residents and La-7 pilots) use this as part of their decision-making process.

The most powerful method to recruit the stupid is to establish a core group of internet losers with no life... and government employees. I know that seemed a little redundant, but government employees are key players since they are well positioned and experienced at disseminating nonsense in mass quantities, comfortable at doing simple, repetitive and mundane tasks, yet remarkably believe that they are doing something of high importance.

Some government employee clusters areas have almost 90% concentration of stupid demographics. State driver licensing departments have been observed with almost 100% saturation.

Current trends indicate an almost 50-50 split (liberal vs. conservative) in stupid government employees. In years past, most were liberal, but this has changed since approximately 72.8% of all people in the U.S. are now employed as Homeland Security airport screeners.

Interestingly, some government employees who are sucking taxpayers dry spend enormous amounts of time sitting their huge taxpayer-fed rear on a stressed out, taxpayer-paid chair at their taxpayer-paid desk, using a taxpayer-paid computer during their taxpayer-paid day to post thousands of messages to internet bulletin boards railing on and on about other 'socialist' countries.

These types are prime candidates to exploit as misinformation specialists. They can relentlessly spam bulletin boards for, or against, a candidate at no cost to the candidate. They are referred to as SZZ's (Stupid Zombie Zealots) and are an instrumental part of modern campaigns.

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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2004, 11:14:11 AM »
How many times did this happen?:

Bush: "Jim - let me have an extension, I think it's only fair that I be able to comment on something my opponent said."

Jim: "Okay."

Bush: "Uhmm.........."

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« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2004, 11:16:31 AM »
lol Rolex.... That was nuts! I loved it.

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« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2004, 11:26:54 AM »
so rolex... intelligence makes for the best voters?   A candidate chosen by the most inteligent voters is the best thing for America?

I find that academics and city dwellers tend to form support groups that keep out all information that would weaken their preconcieved positions.   Those who would stray from lioberal socialist conversations and ideals are ostracized and deprived of the company and privilige these closed societies control.... media "documentaries" like michell moores are showered with praise as are anti second Amendment works like "the arming of America"  while consevative views are shunned or stillborn.  

This is still the case allthough it is changing somewhat.  

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« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2004, 11:32:53 AM »
Anyone who praises anything Michael Moore automatically forfeits any claim to intelligence.
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« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2004, 11:46:02 AM »
Kerry looked better in the debate. For people didn't no any better, it looks like he won hands down. He didn't win hands down though. The DNC even says it was a draw.

For others, Kerry was just being a pathalogical lier again, while looking convincing doing it. It would take me some time, but I could point out how nearly everything Kerry said was a flat out lie.

Americans ( according to a gallup poll)  still liked Bush more and felt he was the stronger leader ( by a huge margin) was more believable AND did better on the issues.

So basically Bush won on any point that matters. Kerry wins on appearence for that debate.

This is exactly what I was saying just after the debate. Kerry spoke well and that's about it.
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« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2004, 11:58:16 AM »
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Just giving my un-biased opinion, some like to see what it is like from a neutrals perspective


ummm, you're a long way from neutral.  You liberal leanings are well established on this board.

in spite of that, I agree that Kerry won by a wide margin on style points.  Now, if he only made sense and told the truth, he might actually be a "viable" candidate.
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« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2004, 12:16:53 PM »
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ummm, you're a long way from neutral.  You liberal leanings are well established on this board.

in spite of that, I agree that Kerry won by a wide margin on style points.  Now, if he only made sense and told the truth, he might actually be a "viable" candidate.


i do not have a political leaning, i know very little of the difference between the groups, i have never voted in my life and i was just sharing my views on what i saw/heard.

If anything i would say that Britain is way too liberal, justice is a joke here and sentencing needs to be made much harsher, the NHS nearly killed me so i pretty much hate it (although i agree its good to have a free healthcare system for those that cannot afford private healthcare) and i agree that those persons that can prove they are responsible enough, should be allowed guns in their homes - and should be able to use those guns to protect themselves if need be without being prosecuted such as it is now.

Does that make me a liberal? or what am i?
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« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2004, 01:23:51 PM »
furball... I would call you a moderate conservative... your countrymen would call you a right wing whacko just to the right fo ghengis khan.

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« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2004, 01:51:10 PM »
Well if you don't want to vote for either of them vote for somebody, anybody, that you agree with. Myself I'm voting for the libertarian candidate who will be on the ballot here in TX. Vote for a third party, we need one.

 No they won't win this time, but it will make them stronger for next time, and it will send a message to the other two parties if a third party has a strong showing this time.

Besides I really think that kerry and bush are so much alike, even if kerry does get elected it will be like bush was re-elected.

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« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2004, 02:01:28 PM »
Kerry shifted his views and positions so many times I think he may have shifted himself into another dimension. From what I could tell he never really had a solid platform. He brought up Vietnam, obviously, and he seems to be sticking to his campaign promise of "I'm not Bush."

From where I stand, he did not and has not stated a clear platform. He has shifted around with public opinion to ensure he looks better than Bush. Bush sticks to his guns...whether that is good or bad it's hard to tell.

Voting records matter...not military records. I don't like the fact that Kerry was blaming Bush for things that he himself voted against when the ballots came up on the Senate floor. I bet if Kerry had spent more time during this campaign talking about his plan for America instead of his military record in Vietnam, he probably could be father ahead of Bush in the opinion polls.

This will be my first ever presidential election. I am still unsure of who I want to vote for, but right now Kerry is spinning so fast I think he may take off and dance across stage like a top. I hope in the next debate he actually finds a platform and plunks his pampered bellybutton on it.

This is getting tiresome...