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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2004, 10:08:18 PM »
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The use of force is the only reason Iraq does not have WMD.


Unfortunately, that was 13 years ago.
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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2004, 10:10:00 PM »
In the "Key Findings" the ISG acknowledges that they cannot confirm the destruction of all of the WMD that Saddam was known to have possessed.
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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2004, 10:14:14 PM »
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Unfortunately, that was 13 years ago.


Okay, you bit. :)

Back then Iraq was known to have WMD, yet we never considered invading them until they invaded Kuwait.

The UN passed some resolutions demanding Iraq withdraw from Kuwait.....Iraq refused and all the UN could do was pass another resolution.....to use force, but even that meant nothing.

What mattered was that the US put FORCE behind the UN resolutions, kicked Iraq out of Kuwait and FORCED Iraq to give up it's WMD. Am I right so far?

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« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2004, 10:17:52 PM »
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What mattered was that the US put FORCE behind the UN resolutions, kicked Iraq out of Kuwait and FORCED Iraq to give up it's WMD. Am I right so far?


You state that as if the U.S. were the only country involved.
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« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2004, 10:21:39 PM »
Vote for Kerry and let him drive the coun try into the ground.

Vote for Bush and let him drive this country into the ground.

I'm moving to Britain...

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« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2004, 10:23:20 PM »
Some telling tidbits:


• ISG does not have a clear account of bulk agent destruction. Offi cial Iraqi sources and BW personnel, state that Al Hakam staff destroyed stocks of bulk agent in mid 1991. However, the same personnel admit concealing details of the movement and destruction of bulk BW agent in the fi rst half of 1991. Iraq continued to present information known to be untrue to the UN up to OIF. Those involved did not reveal this until several
months after the conflict.

• Dr. Rihab Rashid Taha Al ‘Azzawi, head of the bacterial program claims she retained BW seed stocks until early 1992 when she destroyed them. ISG has not found a means of verifying this. Some seed stocks were retained by another Iraqi offi cial until 2003 when they were recovered by ISG.


And from the beginning:


Nonetheless, the interview process had several shortcomings. Detainees were very concerned about their fate and therefore would not be willing to implicate themselves in sensitive matters of interest such as WMD, in light of looming prosecutions. Debriefers noted the use of passive interrogation resistance techniques collectively by a large number of detainees to avoid their involvement or knowledge of sensitive issues; place blame
or knowledge with individuals who were not in a position to contradict the detainee’s statements, such as deceased individuals or individuals who were not in custody or who had fl ed the country; and provide debriefers with previously known information. However, the reader should keep in mind the Arab proverb: “Even a liar tells many truths.”
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« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2004, 10:23:48 PM »
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You state that as if the U.S. were the only country involved.


don't deflect my point. The use of force is what made Iraq comply with the UN back then, right?

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« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2004, 10:24:51 PM »
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I'm moving to Britain...



Not me... Australia!


or...

New Zealand

or

Canada. :aok
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« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2004, 10:26:17 PM »
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don't deflect my point. The use of force is what made Iraq comply with the UN back then, right?


Is it compliance if they were driven out by force?
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« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2004, 10:27:09 PM »
This is just brilliant. Figures that for my very first ever presidential vote...I get to vote for who will do the least amount of damage in the next four years.

Kerry and his "change with the wind" platform...

...or...

Bush and his "Well, I thought they were there!" platform.

Great...no pressure here...:(

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« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2004, 10:28:32 PM »
Well, if it'll make you feel any better texace, your vote will count for Bush no matter which button you push. ;)
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« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2004, 10:28:40 PM »
The threat of force is only effective if you use it.  He dicked us around for 12 years, then got all compliant when we had 150,000 boots on the ground.  Even then, with that overt threat, he would not comply.  That is why he had to go.

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« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2004, 10:30:26 PM »
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Is it compliance if they were driven out by force?


What? Compliance is compliance. Force made them comply....please tell me otherwise.

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« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2004, 10:36:32 PM »
They didn't comply. They died.
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« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2004, 10:37:26 PM »
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They didn't comply. They died.


now Sandman, does that bring anything to the debate or even make sense?