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« on: October 06, 2004, 09:26:43 PM »
Remember when Bush said that, well Charlie has got back with his report and it couldn't be any worse.


"Wait until Charlie gets back with the final report," Mr Bush said in June, fending off reporters trying to get him to admit that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction.

Yesterday, "Charlie", aka Charles Duelfer, the chief US weapons inspector, did get back - and his report could send shockwaves though an election campaign in which the Iraq issue already dwarfs all others.

Mr Duelfer's main finding, that Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction, was widely expected. But the thoroughness of the 1,000-page report, based on nine months of work by the Iraq Survey Group led by Mr Duelfer, is a massive blow to George Bush's rationale for going to war.

It is bound to be seized upon by John Kerry in his second debate with Mr Bush tomorrow as further proof that the President rushed to war without waiting for the facts.

In a clear bid to limit the damage, Mr Bush used a campaign appearance in the swing state of Pennsylvania yesterday to stress the "real risk", that Saddam would give weapons or know-how to terrorist groups. "This was a risk we could not afford to take," he declared.

Nonetheless, the President's record in office now looks less impressive than perhaps at any moment since the day in May 2003 when Mr Bush landed aboard the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln beneath a banner proclaiming "Mission Accomplished". Day after day, Mr Kerry hammers away at the gap between the President's rosy assertions and the bloody reality on the ground in Iraq.

One blow after another strike the President's credibility. First came the leak of an intelligence report commissioned by the CIA which suggested that Iraq might be sliding into civil war.

That was followed by the leaked speech of a senior CIA Middle East specialist, who said the agency had warned the White House before the war that an invasion would probably be followed by an insurgency and growing sympathy for radical Islam and its goals.

Next came Mr Bush's dismal showing in the first debate in Florida, when Mr Kerry at last turned the spotlight from 11 September and terrorism to the current disorder in Iraq. Within 48 hours, a long report in the New York Times showed how the administration deliberately played down the dissent of its own experts when it claimed Saddam had been purchasing aluminium tubes in order to build nuclear weapons.

Those revelations, combined with Mr Duelfer's conclusion yesterday that Saddam's nuclear programme between 1998 and 2003 had shrivelled from minimal to non-existent, make a mockery of the apocalyptic pre-war warning by Condoleezza Rice, the President's national security adviser, that if the US waited, the "smoking gun" proving Iraq's WMD threat might be "a mushroom cloud". This week, both Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, and Paul Bremer, the former US administrator in post-war Baghdad, have added to the embarrassment. Mr Rumsfeld cast doubt on links between Saddam and al-Qa'ida, another justification for going to war, while the former head of the Coalition Provisional Authority revealed how he had pressed, in vain, for more troops to stabilise Iraq.

The Duelfer report was not the only embarrassment for Bush yesterday. Another CIA report, leaked to the New York Times, is dubious that links existed between the Saddam regime and the Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, whose group has kidnapped and executed Westerners.

US charges that Iraq had relations with al-Qa'ida were largely based on claims that Saddam had sheltered al-Zarqawi followers. Now, even that assertion is being questioned.

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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2004, 09:45:23 PM »
Thousands.... Tens of thousands, even.... of words have been written here in this forum about the issue of Iraq and WMD.

Spanning several years.

Spamming several threads.

Mocking more than several people.

Well...

Today, to me, and no matter which bets have been won or lost previously, marks the official day that the last nail has been driven into that coffin.

I think that if anything should be learned from this - and I include myself - it should be that while we may feel so entirely convinced about whatever it is we may think, to the point where we attack and drive away our brethren, we very well could be wrong.

Dead wrong, even.

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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2004, 09:49:03 PM »
And you could be wrong, there could well be weapons buried or smuggled out of the country. Where are all the WMDs unaccounted for? When that question can be answered it can then be said there are none.
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2004, 09:52:05 PM »
Nash, did you read the report, or at least the Key points?

I am guessing you did not; you only read the reporting of what the report said.  Shame on you for being a sheep.

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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2004, 09:53:53 PM »
The report not only said he didn't have any WMD since '91, it said that they didn't even have the *ability* to produce them.

You cannot smuggle WMD into other countries if you cannot even create WMD in the first place.

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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2004, 09:55:10 PM »
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Originally posted by Lizking
Nash, did you read the report, or at least the Key points?

I am guessing you did not; you only read the reporting of what the report said.  Shame on you for being a sheep.


Shame on you for being wrong about that, too.

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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2004, 09:56:06 PM »
but Nash!

He was a threat because he wanted WMD.


C'mon man... get with the program.
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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2004, 09:57:41 PM »
You did not read the report, little sheep.  Watch it, you may get ****ed.

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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2004, 09:57:46 PM »
Yup Sand you nailed it.

Basically:

"He desired WMD"...

That's it.

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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2004, 09:58:51 PM »
So the report confirms that, only by the use of force was Iraq removed as a threat?

I get it.

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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2004, 10:01:07 PM »
Er upon a re-read, yer right Liz... I didn't read the report itself. I thought you were implying that my conclusion was based solely on it.

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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2004, 10:01:56 PM »
The use of force is the only reason Iraq does not have WMD.

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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2004, 10:04:30 PM »
Screw the trolls... and more of this same BS.

Iraq = No WMD.

again....

Iraq = No WMD.

It is done, folks.

Good night, and drive safely.

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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2004, 10:05:58 PM »
Nash, was Iraq disarmed by UN resolutions, or was it by force?

Use your mellon for once and think about it.

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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2004, 10:07:27 PM »
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The former Regime had no formal written strategy or plan for the revival of WMD after sanctions. Neither
was there an identifi able group of WMD policy makers or planners separate from Saddam.


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Saddam wanted to recreate Iraq’s WMD capability—which was essentially destroyed in 1991—after sanctions
were removed and Iraq’s economy stabilized, but probably with a different mix of capabilities to that
which previously existed. Saddam aspired to develop a nuclear capability—in an incremental fashion,
irrespective of international pressure and the resulting economic risks—but he intended to focus on ballistic
missile and tactical chemical warfare (CW) capabilities.


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