Another Victory in the War on Drugs

[Curval]

I'm dying of cancer.  I cannot eat.  The doctors keep filling me full of morphine to dull the pain but it makes me feel even sicker.  They have tried to stimulate my appetite by pumping me full of a variety of drugs but nothing helps.

No. No.  I can't try marijuana.  It's ILLEGAL.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Martlet
The judge used latitude.  He didn't get the maximum sentence.  He got what the judge felt was fair.

Because he broke the law.  If he didn't want to go to jail, he shouldn't have broken the law.

He made his choice.

And the judge made hers. For the first time misdemeanor of possessing an illegal substance the accused is sentenced to death by incarceration. It's within the law. It's a reasonable sentence. All is good.

Next case!

The people versus John Climeehoogan for jaywalking.

(In shuffles a 90 yr old man with a walker and an oxygen bottle)

How do you plead?

(Breathe) ... Guilt ... (Breathe) .. tee ...

12 days hard labor whacking weeds on the side of the highway!

Lawyer: Isn't that a bit excessive given my client's physical state?

Eh .... I've been assured that he can handle it fine. It's within the law.

Next case!

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Curval


I'm dying of cancer.  I cannot eat.  The doctors keep filling me full of morphine to dull the pain but it makes me feel even sicker.  They have tried to stimulate my appetite by pumping me full of a variety of drugs but nothing helps.

No. No.  I can't try marijuana.  It's ILLEGAL.

Then get the laws changed.  You're just as responsible for the laws on the books as anyone else.

Your defense is poking holes in the validity of the laws.  It has nothing to do with the fact that the judge is responsible for sentencing violations of the laws YOU allow to remain in place.

What have you done to change them?

For the first time misdemeanor of possessing an illegal substance the accused is sentenced to death by incarceration.

Could you show me the sentencing that states that?  It's an idiotic defense, but one I'm not surprised you take.   It's like your mother sending you to school, as the law dictates, then being held responsible because the teacher shoots you.

[Curval]

Unfortunately there are too many people out there like yourself who are so wrapped up in the stoned druggie stereotype to want to assist in changing the laws.

[Arlo]

"By the standards of D.C. Superior Court, the 10-day sentence rendered by Judge Judith E. Retchin was unusually punitive for a first-time offender such as Magbie. Along with his defense attorney, Boniface Cobbina, a pre-sentence report had recommended probation, and the U.S. attorney's office had not objected."

Here .. let me repeat that a half dozen times in anticipation of Matlet's half-arsed portrayal of Baretta ... a role in which Robert Blake is considering reviving .... from jail.

On second thought ... nevermind.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Curval
Unfortunately there are too many people out there like yourself who are so wrapped up in the stoned druggie stereotype to want to assist in changing the laws.

Ahhh, so you're arguing based on assumptions.  Let me educate you.

I support the legalization of marijuana across the board.  Not just for medical reasons.

Originally posted by Arlo
"By the standards of D.C. Superior Court, the 10-day sentence rendered by Judge Judith E. Retchin was unusually punitive for a first-time offender such as Magbie. Along with his defense attorney, Boniface Cobbina, a pre-sentence report had recommended probation, and the U.S. attorney's office had not objected."

Here .. let me repeat that a half dozen times in anticipation of Matlet's half-arsed portrayal of Baretta ... a role in which Robert Blake is considering reviving .... from jail.

On second thought ... nevermind.

Was it outside the sentencing guidelines for the crime?

If you don't want to go to jail, don't break the law.

[Mini D]

Would this be an issue at all if the man hadn't died?

I'm missing the point of this whole thread.  A man that was able to ride around with friends smoking pot dies on the ride to jail... and it's the judges fault for sentancing him.

I'm sorry, but that makes absolutely zero sense.  The man should have gotten whatever sentance everyone else in the car got (not mentioned in the article?).  The county should be held responsible for his death and for providing inadequate medical attention in his transit.  Turning it back onto the judge for the sentance and highlighting it as an issue for "the war on drugs" is simply propaganda running rampant.

[Arlo]

Simple, Martlet. Remember simple?

Judge screws up and gives excessive sentence to a quadrapeligic for a first time misdemeanor that cost the man his life.

Judge gets robes taken away for good.

Now .... you have a problem with this why again?

[Curval]

Originally posted by Martlet
Ahhh, so you're arguing based on assumptions.  Let me educate you.

I support the legalization of marijuana across the board.  Not just for medical reasons.

You support it?  But...it's illegal.  If you get caught with it you should be sentanced accordingly surely?  If you are caught posessing it in Texas, for example,  you could be behind bars for a long time.  You must support THAT because it is the law, right?

I'm very confused now.

Maybe you should have a pic of Kerry for your avatar.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Arlo
Simple, Martlet. Remember simple?

Judge screws up and gives excessive sentence to a quadrapeligic for a first time misdemeanor that cost the man his life.

Judge gets robes taken away for good.

Now .... you have a problem with this why again?

The judge didn't screw up.  What laws did the judge violate?  The criminal was sentenced within the limits of the law.

If the quad was concerned with doing jail time, he should have obeyed the law.

Again, what laws did the judge break?

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Mini D
Would this be an issue at all if the man hadn't died?

I'm missing the point of this whole thread.  A man that was able to ride around with friends smoking pot dies on the ride to jail... and it's the judges fault for sentancing him.

Yeah ... you missed it by a mile and a half. He died on the ride from the jail to a medical facility because the jail couldn't take care of his medical needs. Apparently he was able to ride in a vehicle and apparently he didn't choose his friends wisely. Such poor judgement on his part may have eventully lead to his death. But the judge didn't have to add her own poor judgement to the formula to speed up the process.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Martlet
The judge didn't screw up.  What laws did the judge violate?  The criminal was sentenced within the limits of the law.

If the quad was concerned with doing jail time, he should have obeyed the law.

Again, what laws did the judge break?

What laws does a doctor break when malpractice is involved? Yes ... there's a correlation.

I know I have you backed in a corner here and there's no way you'll admit you're wrong in this.

But who gives a fug?

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Curval
You support it?  But...it's illegal.  If you get caught with it you should be sentanced accordingly surely?  If you are caught posessing it in Texas, for example,  you could be behind bars for a long time.  You must support THAT because it is the law, right?

I'm very confused now.

Maybe you should have a pic of Kerry for your avatar.

You aren't confused, you just can't read.

I said I support the LEGALIZATION of marijuana.  I obviously don't support it's use while it is illegal.

Originally posted by Arlo
What laws does a doctor break when malpractice is involved? Yes ... there's a correlation.

I know I have you backed in a corner here and there's no way you'll admit you're wrong in this.

But who gives a fug?

malpractice?  HAHAHA.  Backed into a corner?  HA!  You're wrong and you know it.  You've changed tack on this topic so many times trying to prove a point you recognize is failed.  I understand your need to save face, but it's too late for you now.

Judges are under strict sentencing guidelines.   The sentence was within those guidelines.

If you don't like the sentence, don't do the crime.

[Mini D]

No... I didn't miss the point.  Do you think the county is at fault for his death in transit or not?

Why is this coming back on the judge?  Why is it the judge is being made out to be the end-all-be-all of responsibility here?  The county screwed up bigtime on the transportation.  The man screwed up bigtime by getting in the car that was stopped.  The judge screwed up for sentancing someone for a crime?

That makes absolutely no sense.  The logic only highlights the desire for some to shoehorn events into their own views on society.  It's pretty sad, actually.

[Arlo]

Originally posted by Mini D
No... I didn't miss the point.  Do you think the county is at fault for his death in transit or not?

Why is this coming back on the judge?  Why is it the judge is being made out to be the end-all-be-all of responsibility here?  The county screwed up bigtime on the transportation.  The man screwed up bigtime by both getting in the car that was stopped.  The judge screwed up for sentancing someone for a crime?

That makes absolutely no sense.  The logic only highlights the desire for some to shoehorn events into their own views on society.  It's pretty sad, actually.

You still think he died being taken to jail. That ... sir .. is a miss.

"Magbie died last Friday after being shuttled between the D.C. jail complex and Greater Southeast Community Hospital.

At the center of the many questions surrounding his death is whether D.C. Superior Court and the D.C. Department of Corrections did enough to ensure adequate care for the quadriplegic inmate. "

The sentence was excessive. The facility could not take care of his physical needs. The judge never really bothered to check if it could.

Judge screwed up. Take the robes.

Now who's shoehorning what here?