HTC, please look at these films

[niklas]

itīs not a sustained 5G loop, isnīt it?
what is the g-load at the top?

[funked]

Niklas it was 1.5 g at top, 4.5 g at bottom.

[RAM]

Maverick...

 If all those planes can do "that" just after takeoff, the FM is somehow screwed. 27 loops after the takeoff and keep on building Energy? come on!!!!! open your eyes,this thing is WRONG!

 And anyway, if the E-keeping is not wrong (thing that I think it is, indeed), the torque modelling is completely gone. A typhoon BARELY could take off in controlled flight!!! they smashed against right side hangars of the fields!!!!

and you DO a loop just after takeoff?? COME ON!!! it IS screwed! and BIGTIME.

I said it quite more than one or two times, the niki BS moves are, partly because they retain E too well, and partly because there is no torque in their low speed moves.

Now, can we agree that torque modelling is completely screwed?...answer this please.

It is-so it needs a fix. Please, HTC, fix it.

About e-retaining. you **REALLY** think that a WWII 4-ton fighter could take off, and start doing 27 consecutive loopings CLIMBING while it did it?...please answer...YES or NO?.

I dont think so, so I believe it needs a fix, maybe not the niki alone, maybe the WHOLE FM. Indeed not a thing I like to happen (means a lot of work to be done and maybe delaying new planes), but if this FM allows a Fw190A8 to do a loop just after takeoff, then sorry, but THIS THING IS SCREWED. And so needs a fix.

Anyway you can (i dont see how, but you can) disagree on the e-retaining thing.

But noone in his senses would say that the torque model is right in this moment.

[Karnak]

RAM,
They don't do it just after takeoff.

If they did it just after take off they'd have a starting speed of about 100mph.  Instead they hold it on the runway until speed has reached 170mph.  That isn't a normal takeoff.  It is flying while holding the wheels on the ground and only calling it a takeoff when you pull back on the stick.

If you can loop a N1K2 from a starting speed of 100mph, please film it and show it to us.

Sisu
-Karnak

[RAM]

Karnak, 170mph?...a 190A8?...a typhoon?...a loop...A COMPLETE LOOP?...

Karnak, to keep a tight loop, for one...two...three...four...[...]twentyfive...twentysix...twen tyseven times????...WINNING energy while doing?!  

nah...its hopeless   its in front of your noses and you can't see it  

The weirdest thing I've ever seen in AH was that yawing rudder loop that someone filmed when 1.04 was released, and was fixed quite fast...I hope that this film means that this thing is about to be fixed.


(<sigh>...27 loops, winning altitude and they insist it is right... Well, at least noone has said -yet- that the torque modelling is right on target   )

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[hblair]

   

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[RAM]

 

[Wardog]

HB..

Couldnt have done it better myself.

There is a big differance between Constructive opinion and Destructive opinion. RAM allways seems to dribble Destructive opinion. I think he will be happier in a sim like AW3 that im sure he thinks is perfect FM, Damage Modeling, Balistics Modeling and Whiner Modeling.

Dog out...

[NUTTZ]

Funny, last night i noticed something while flying H2H. The FM is great and IMO none of the planes are Uber or porked. We are flying them out of their element of which each plane was designed for. Tell me a TbF is gonna survive in the MA? I don't thing so, how about a stuka? nope. In the terrain i set up, each plane FM seam to have a greater seperation from each other, and "seamed" a truer FM for each indiviual plane.

NUTTZ

[Karnak]

RAM,
I'm not saying its correct or incorrect.  I don't know about that and I don't have the info required to talk about that.

I was simply pointing out that you are distorting the issue by exagerating what is happening and using other time honored methods to flood disinformation into a debate in order to achieve your desired result.

This needs to be discussed in a rational manner.  Not by shouting disbelief anc scorn at eachother.

Sisu
-Karnak

[hblair]

         

   



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[Wardog]

Your Moma not tell you that youll go blind using that computer so much.

 

RAM, back away from the computer now!!

[hblair]

Oh gawd!
 

[CavemanJ]

Wish I'd had the film rolling, but I dinnae.. oh well

While flying an F4U I blew past an N1K with another kite 1.2k back and slowly opening, in a shallow dive.  It was a front quarter merge, and at about 400yds the N1K stood on it's left wing and reefed around to follow me.  While he's turning I use a little left aileron and rudder to alter my heading by about 10degrees to the left so I can watch the N1K and the other bandit (spit I believe) on the same side of the cockpit.  Watching the N1K complete his turn, his nose is about 20degrees off at a range of ~650-700yds.

Then the damnedest thing happens.  The range marker starts DESCREASING instead of increasing as it should've kept doing.  I was touching 450mph or so, in a shallow dive, with only the slightest of turns.  This N1K reefs around in a hard turn (stood on his wing at my 11oc, range about 400-450yds) and pulls to follow.  I get him 700yds back of me, which with net lag is probably around 500 on his FE, and then he closes on me, to 500yds where he gets half my left wing, before the range finally starts opening, but verra slowly.

Thank goodness he wasn't a good shot or I'd have been dead.

[BaneX]

Roflmao!!!!  

ok a little off topic here.. where are you guys getting all the animated smilies and such.

I HAVE GOT TO HAVE THEM!!  

Bane
13th TAS