Author Topic: F-86 vs Mig-15... (Read 2252 times)

OntosMk1 · « **on:** October 13, 2004, 10:03:21 PM »

After reading several books and watching a couple of cool programs about the air war in Korea I noticed that the common theme was that the Mig-15 was in every way better than the F-86 Sabre. It could roll faster, Climb quicker, and hit harder than the Sabre. So how did we knock so many of them out of the sky? What im really interested in is the Tactics the Sabre pilots used. They used a finger four formation and here is the interesting part, the element leader was the offensive part while the wingman's sole job was to protect his element leader. They were completely defensive. How is this possible? Even with the Russian fielding some of their best pilots the K/D ratio was still in our favor up to the cease fire. I guess im really wondering about the whole relationship of the flight leader and his wingman. I fail to see how one can fly souly in a defensive manner while still protecting his wing leader.

anyone care to take a stab at this one?

Elfie · « **Reply #1 on:** October 13, 2004, 10:06:54 PM »

*stab*

Oh crap I missed and got the dog.....

AKIron · « **Reply #2 on:** October 13, 2004, 10:09:16 PM »

From what I've read the Mig-15 was only a slightly better performer. Not so much that something like the encounter situation wasn't a more important factor. Of course training and tactics were a more significant advantage as proven by the US record.

OIO · « **Reply #3 on:** October 13, 2004, 10:14:51 PM »

Remember its not only the Mig15 but also the Mig17.

In paper both migs, and particularly the Mig17, beat the Sabre.

However, the avg Sabre pilot had significantly better training than the enemy pilots did.

It was like placing a NASCAR driver against a student driver on the racetrack.

Raubvogel · « **Reply #4 on:** October 13, 2004, 10:16:14 PM »

Ask Boroda....according to him the Mig15 had a 2000 to 1 kill ratio vs the F86

Vulcan · « **Reply #5 on:** October 13, 2004, 10:20:27 PM »

iirc the US had a lot of experienced pilots (from WW2), and drew on tactics learned in WW2, whereas the Koreans had very bad training, and no experience. It was only when the Russians sent in their pilots that things got hard for the US pilots.

Scootter · « **Reply #6 on:** October 13, 2004, 10:26:22 PM »

MIG-17 was countered by the F-100 (both had afterbuners and 17 had two powerplants)

Mig -15 was slightly faster but at speed was not as nimble
15 could go higher and could climb faster

86 could dive faster (more stable) and could manuver on the edge better

Guns on 15 hit harder but fired slower and had much drop

guns in 86 were less powerful but easer to hit with

Yeager flew both and these were his impressions

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #7 on:** October 13, 2004, 10:42:01 PM »

Scooter yoiu are confusing Mig17 with Mig19.

And neither served in Korean war.

The Mig15 vs F86 matchup is very similar IMO to P51D and Bf109K4 matchup.

The Bf109 held every majoir performance advantage, speed, accell, climb. Had much heavier hitting 30mm cannon but was hardder to aim. The P51 had better handling and user friendlyness and could dive faster.

The Bf109K did very well against P51D if flown by the LW few remaining experete. But the P51D would decimate low quality pilots in the 109K.

Just as happened in Korea where the USAF had thir way with the Koreans and Chinese but apprently suffered a negative K/D aginst the few specially picked soviet aces who fought in the war.

Otto · « **Reply #8 on:** October 13, 2004, 11:58:06 PM »

It's all right here:

http://www.acepilots.com/planes/f86_sabre.html

Thrawn · « **Reply #9 on:** October 14, 2004, 12:07:26 AM »

Mig wasn't better than the Orenda powered CF-86.

Yeager · « **Reply #10 on:** October 14, 2004, 12:17:40 AM »

Put the superior pilot in the inferior plane and the inferior plane wins every time.

Wolfala · « **Reply #11 on:** October 14, 2004, 05:42:26 AM »

Remind me, wasn't the MIG-15 a Russian port of a German design?

Wolf

Otto · « **Reply #12 on:** October 14, 2004, 06:30:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Wolfala
Remind me, wasn't the MIG-15 a Russian port of a German design?

Wolf

....with a British engine.

SunTracker · « **Reply #13 on:** October 14, 2004, 06:32:01 AM »

From all accounts, the Russian flown Mig-15s had a 3 to 1 kill ratio over U.S. F-86s.

storch · « **Reply #14 on:** October 14, 2004, 08:00:41 AM »

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Originally posted by SunTracker
From all accounts, the Russian flown Mig-15s had a 3 to 1 kill ratio over U.S. F-86s.

Really??? who was the accountant?

Author Topic: F-86 vs Mig-15... (Read 2252 times)

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