F-86 vs Mig-15...

[Widewing]

Originally posted by SunTracker
From all accounts, the Russian flown Mig-15s had a 3 to 1 kill ratio over U.S. F-86s.

LOLOLOLOL

Unfortunately, this is certified baloney.

Tell ya what, do some research on the Korean war before you make a fool of yourself.

My regards,

Widewing

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Otto
About five years ago the Airshow at the local base included a 'dogfight' between a Mig-15 and an F9F Panther.  This was the first time I'd ever seen a Mig fly.   I was VERY impressed.  It was every inch a fighter plane.  Very fast and very stable.  It totally outclassed the Panther in the demo and the Mig had to wait till the F9F could get on it's tail to 'shoot' it down.  (Hometown favorite)

Yeah, the MiG-15bis could out-perform the F9F in virtually every dogfighter category. Nonetheless, MiGs generally got their butts waxed when they ran into Panthers. Here's a terrific  example.

My regards,

Widewing

[Widewing]

If you wish to learn about the F-86 and MiG-15, here's some sites that will get you started.

F-86

More detail on F-86

MiG-15

More MiG-15

Some Korean air war history

More history

And yet more history

My regards,

Widewing

[OIO]

ah crap you're right my mind hopped from korea to vietnam in the airwar part

I will go flush me head in the toilet now.

[SunTracker]

My statistics here came from an article in the Sept-Oct 1994 issue of Command magazine and the TV series "Wings of the Red Star". The 64th Fighter Aviation Corps was sent to fight in Korea in Nov 1950. They performed very well, shooting down over 1,300 UN aircraft of all types while losing only 345 of their own. 16 Soviet pilots made ace, with the top scorer being Evgeni Pepelyaev with 23 kills. This info comes from the magazine article, and the author got his info from various US and Russian publications. The 2:1 MiG-15 vs. F-86 statistic is from the "Red Star" series. It should be mentioned that American and Soviet info do not contradict each other with regards to kill tallies. Only if an American plane is brought down over the combat area was it counted as a "loss". U.S. Air Force does not count planes damaged beyond repair or forced to land on the way home. The Soviets do, so their figures are naturally higher with regards to kills.

MiG-15s piloted by Soviets outscored the F-86 guys at around 2:1

http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~agretch/RAFAQ/SovietAces.html

During the time that the "Honchos" (the nickname given by the Sabre pilots to excellent MiG pilots) were in Korea, between April 1951 and January 1952, they shot down or damaged beyond repair 142 UN aircraft against 68 losses, an overall 2:1 kill ratio.

http://www.acepilots.com/russian/rus_aces.html

[Raubvogel]

I knew it was only a matter of time before Commissar Boroda showed up and presented the REAL truth.

[Dnil]

pssst suntracker, we are talking sabre vs mig.  not UN aircraft vs mig.

edit:  yikes his source is wings of the red star, weeeeee.

[storch]

Originally posted by Dnil
pssst suntracker, we are talking sabre vs mig.  not UN aircraft vs mig.

edit:  yikes his source is wings of the red star, weeeeee.

Waddaya mean???? we all know how completely honest and forthcoming russians are!

[SunTracker]

pssst suntracker, we are talking sabre vs mig. not UN aircraft vs mig.

I know, one paragraph talks about UN aircraft, but gives direct information about the Mig15 vs F86.

I find it interesting how people wiggle and squirm when confronted with data that pulls them out of their 'circle of comfort'.  "Oh lord, the soviets were better pilots than us in Korea? What ever shall we do?!?!"

[Dnil]

Funny how you take info from that website as the truth but anyone elses as false.  I gave you a great document to look up.  You can find it at Maxwell airforce base.  From the USAF historical branch.  There is a ton of info on this stuff and the vast majority points to conclusion that are complete opposite of yours.


I think we will just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Dnil
Funny how you take info from that website as the truth but anyone elses as false.  I gave you a great document to look up.  You can find it at Maxwell airforce base.  From the USAF historical branch.  There is a ton of info on this stuff and the vast majority points to conclusion that are complete opposite of yours.


I think we will just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.

I have Soviet data, declassified after 40 years in 1993, when they actually OPPOSED official propaganda (saying that Americans were superior to Soviets in every field).

Soviet pilots were superior to "UN" forces.

150 fighters opposing the whole power of the Western world.

Sleeping in cockpits, on "alert number one". Ready to take off and fight agressors who wanted to destroy Yalu river (Amnokkan) powerstations... Half of the pilots from first shift (winter 1950 - spring 1951) 64th IAK were forced to be removed from duty because of mental and physical exaustion...

And they still remained absolutely superior to "UN forces", only Sabres were formidable enemy for them.

You have to understand that Soviet pilots were anti-aircraft defence unit. They were fighting to protect. And they were always fighting the enemy that had numeric superiority. Their goal was not to shoot down Sabres, but to protect strategic objects like powerstation levees and railway nods from "UN airforce".

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Boroda
I have Soviet data, declassified after 40 years in 1993, when they actually OPPOSED official propaganda (saying that Americans were superior to Soviets in every field).

Ia meant that official propaganda in the 90s was telling us that Americans were superior to Soviets in every field.

[ygsmilo]

Hey Boroda maybe you and Oleg and do a Korea era flight sim, everyone knows all of the Soviet Data is correct on history and flight models would be great.

[Boroda]

Oleg is a little bit upset about what me and my friends are doing, as well as +HT+, so it's not a question

[mipoikel]

I think this looks more like a TA183 than Mig15 does.




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