Author Topic: No (more) guns please - we're British (Read 6692 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #210 on:** October 22, 2004, 12:24:39 PM »

concealled carry is illegal in a bank or bar but I will try to answer the spirit of deselys question... that of overwhelmng or proffessional adversaries.

being confident and competent with a firearm to me means being aware of your limitations and options.

lazs

Torque · « **Reply #211 on:** October 22, 2004, 12:30:33 PM »

Keep beat'n it to death, you can never be too sure that five day old maggot powered roadkill is sufficiently dead yet.

Heh look it's still moving!

deSelys · « **Reply #212 on:** October 22, 2004, 04:28:46 PM »

Oops I didn't know that CC was illegal in a bank. My bad, thanks for pointing it to me..

beet1e · « **Reply #213 on:** October 22, 2004, 05:09:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Jackal1
The fantasy comes in with you believing bans/laws will keep the criminal from having guns. You are just starting to see the tip of the iceburg. As I have said before, you cannot wish it away.

If our gun control doesn't work, then please explain why our gun crime is next to nothing, and why yours is 10,000 gun homicides a year and has even exceeded 300,000 gun homicides in one 25 year period.

Martlet · « **Reply #214 on:** October 22, 2004, 05:11:00 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
If our gun control doesn't work, then please explain why our gun crime is next to nothing, and why yours is 10,000 gun homicides a year and has even exceeded 300,000 gun homicides in one 25 year period.

We like breaking things.

SC-Sp00k · « **Reply #215 on:** October 22, 2004, 05:13:19 PM »

WARNING

The following site consists of GRAPHIC images. Some of you may be upset by them. If so. Then dont be an idiot and look.

For those of you who are not and do venture forth. Ask yourself this.....

If this was a picture of your little girl or boy. Would you still be advocating the consitutional rights of the person responsible to bear arms?

When you click on the link and it comes up. Click on the first slide and then Hit F5 top of your keyboard.

http:// file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Mark/Local%20Settings/Temporary%20Internet%20Files/Content.IE5/4BPBMI7T/PenTrauma%5B1%5D.ppt#605,29,Specific Tissue & Organ Injuries

Lets bring a little reality back into the thread so we understand exactly what it is we are argueing about. There were far worse pictures than this, but noone needs to see them. Again. Picture your childs face there instead.

Maverick · « **Reply #216 on:** October 22, 2004, 05:19:35 PM »

Need to rely on sensationalism to support your position huh spook. Very poor taste. I didn't check your link and I hope other do not. I also hope skuzzy takes notice of it.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #217 on:** October 22, 2004, 05:30:13 PM »

if your goign to try and make your point with pictures it might help if the link worked....

Still your wrong. It won't make a difference. It is not the gun thats the problem.

You dont see it, you never will.

AKIron · « **Reply #218 on:** October 22, 2004, 05:37:15 PM »

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Originally posted by deSelys
Oops I didn't know that CC was illegal in a bank. My bad, thanks for pointing it to me..

Depends on the state here. In Texas it isn't prohibited to carry into a bank unless there is a no guns sign.

Here's a breakdown by state, no idea if this list is accurate:

http://www.ccrkba.org/ccwstudy.html

Chortle · « **Reply #219 on:** October 22, 2004, 06:15:31 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
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chortle... in two weeks any of a number of places in the U.S. could make you confident and competent and safe with pistol, shotgun and rifle. The queen is wrong... you are a capable human.

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lazs

I dont doubt that at all. My experience with guns is limited to my old mans shootgun when I was a kid and an air rifle although I prefered archery - I like the eye/hand coordination thing. Havent done either since my early teens though.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #220 on:** October 22, 2004, 07:03:25 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
If our gun control doesn't work, then please explain why our gun crime is next to nothing, and why yours is 10,000 gun homicides a year and has even exceeded 300,000 gun homicides in one 25 year period.

I have went through this a couple of times . Your country has not caught up to ours yet, but it is getting there. As I said before along with it will come more of everything, including a rise in crime rate. No amount of laws/bans will or can stop it. It`s reality .
Once again criminals, small time or large scale organized, do not by play by anyone`s rules other than their own.
At the point your country is at now you could ban, deny everything, including the metal to make the guns. It would not make one bit of difference . The only thing it would accomplish is to make things easier for the baddies and deny the average individual any form of protection for them and their property.
Beet, has anyone ever mentioned your habit of switching horses in the middle of the stream or the fact that when confronted with something you refuse to acknowledge you start the ole sidestep routine?

Widewing · « **Reply #221 on:** October 22, 2004, 07:38:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Jackal1
I Beet, has anyone ever mentioned your habit of switching horses in the middle of the stream or the fact that when confronted with something you refuse to acknowledge you start the ole sidestep routine?

Beet1e reminds me of that old southern lawyer adage:

If the facts support your case, argue the facts.
If the evidence supports your case, argue the evidence.
If neither the facts or the evidence support your case, just yell.

Beet1e can't yell in less than 1,000 words. He can't help but expend hours generating monsterous, self-rationalizing posts. I remember when he spents days attemping to justify his flying style when a simple "that's how I enjoy playing" would have been more than adequate.

My regards,

Widewing

Toad · « **Reply #222 on:** October 22, 2004, 07:48:15 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
If our gun control doesn't work, then please explain why our gun crime is next to nothing,

It was next to nothing BEFORE your ban.

You achieved nothing with the ban except a little member-stroking feel-good self-flagellation.

Oh yeah.... you took guns away from folks that were using them properly and lawfully. I guess you could say you achieved that as well.

Widewing · « **Reply #223 on:** October 22, 2004, 08:24:13 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Dowding is right about another thing too. You never listen to anyone who actually lives in England. Nothing got taken away. Gun ownership has always been relatively minuscule, before 1997 and since 1997.

This is correct and the reason why during the darkest days of 1940, Britain begged the people of America to send over any firearms they could to arm the home guard who were drilling with pitch forks and sticks. Tens of thousands of privately owned rifles and shot guns were collected (tho I don't know how many actually made it there).

One of the factors seriously investigated by Japanese war planners was the effect massive gun ownership would have on contingent plans to invade the United States. 60 million armed American "cowboys" was a daunting challenge.. One of many that Japan realized could never be overcome.

My regards,

Widewing

SC-Sp00k · « **Reply #224 on:** October 22, 2004, 09:10:15 PM »

Gtora2. The link does work. You need powerpoint perhaps.

Mav. Sensationalism? I think not. How about pure unadulterated reality. Something this thread is lacking.
Scuzzy is welcome to read it. Its not porn. Its informative information from an informed resource. More of it should be out there.

The gun nuts want to advocate the possession of firearms by the population. Then accept the consequences of your choice. If you cannot deal with that, then id argue you shouldnt have a gun at all.

Many of you speak about your rights and are deliberately ignoring the downside of your wishes. You want guns, you got them. Rather than lying to each other and making out your all urban cowboys that all play a role in being the posse rather than the outlaw, accept the fact that you cannot control the actions of another human being with a firearm and that if you demand the right to keep arms, then that same entitlement must also belong to the other.

Your whole arguement on self defence is ignorant and paranoid.

Your weapons would have to be loaded and actioned at all times to be relevant to it, which flys directly in the face of your other well known arguements of safety and responsible gun ownership. Even Laz would have to agree there. The mans in the business of gun safety. What is he telling those shooting on his range? Nothing less I expect.

Picture the face of one of your loved ones on the body of one of those victims. You wont because the thought of it is abhorrent. Perhaps theres some sense left in you guys yet. Its not a picture id like to imagine.

Drop the stats for a moment, which only detracts and attacks your own arguements anyway and look at the results of a gun shot to the face.

Which is worth more to you?

Your child growing up whole or your self indulgent rights?

Sensationism my white wobbly ar$* Mav. This is the reality of the situation. More than 1 in this thread needs to be awake to it.