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Offline Nash

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« Reply #75 on: October 23, 2004, 12:16:36 AM »
Just sayin'.... but...

The last few days or so, you have been on an emotion/logic kick...

Maybe too many episodes of Star Trek, I don't know.

But it's creeped in.

Emotion.... Emotion is good.

Logic keeps us alive. Emotion is the reason for trying to stay alive.
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« Reply #76 on: October 23, 2004, 12:26:08 AM »
Emotion has it's place. We all have emotions, but emotion does not decide fact.

An argument based on emotion will not stand up to facts.
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« Reply #77 on: October 23, 2004, 12:41:42 AM »
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You've already made it evident you do not wish to debate the subject.
And I will respect that desire with the above exeption

Here is the homepage for your...source
http://www.hermes-press.com/index.html

Just by scanning it over and its headlines its quite easy to see its Not exactly what anyone can call an independant or unbiased analysis

Soon as I saw this The entire site lost any kind of claim to credibility Whatsoever IMO


In Fact with things like this there it positively reeks of paranoia and radicalism "Declaring himself dictator"?

C'mon now
Comming from you it kinda dissapoints me


Actually when I scanned the article, I didn't even notice that part. I linked it because I agree with the gist of the argument on the Social Security portion (that is after all why I linked it). I don't look as Bush as have "stolen" any kind of election, or of his "trying" to be dictator. The only ones I blame are those Gore supporters that didn't vote. They are the ones that need to look in the mirror and say "If I wasn't such an idiot by not voting, Bush might not have been elected."
I don't blame Bush or his supporters for his winning the 2000 election. If you check my previous posts, you'll see I've never accused the Republicans of stealing that election. BTW, you'll also note that I don't blame the 9/11 attacks on Bush or his administration either.
Now you want to address the Social Security issue? I say that the Bush Administration has squandered the Social Security surplus on programs that should be paid by Federal Income taxes. We are in a sense paying for the tax cuts through the back door.
You have something to add to counter my claim?
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« Reply #78 on: October 23, 2004, 12:42:51 AM »
Emotion may not decide facts, but even facts do not decide facts.

Emotion may not stand up to facts, but neither do facts stand up to emotion.

You got, like, a mere 80 or so years on this planet. You wanna be logical? That's your business.

Life is three-sixty.

Praying to the God of logical, well, you are cupping your hands over your eyes. You are seeing maybe ten.

That's fine.

What isn't fine, err... I shouldn't say that. What is at least curious, is for folks with such a myopic sense of what living is about, to try to use their narrow world sense, their definition of how life should be lived, to question those in the other 350.

"Emotion has its place". Heh... Damned straight it does.

It will not stand up to facts? Whatever "facts" are you talking about?

Facts drop like flies. Especially, ESPECIALLY these days.

Hang on to 'em. Yer loss.

I aint buyin'. Emotion is the only real thing out there.
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« Reply #79 on: October 23, 2004, 12:44:19 AM »
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Now you want to address the Social Security issue? I say that the Bush Administration has squandered the Social Security surplus on programs that should be paid by Federal Income taxes. We are in a sense paying for the tax cuts through the back door.
You have something to add to counter my claim?


SS has never had a "lock-box". It has always been raided...

Has there ever been a SS surplus?
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« Reply #80 on: October 23, 2004, 12:46:32 AM »
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Emotion may not decide facts, but even facts do not decide facts.

Emotion may not stand up to facts, but neither do facts stand up to emotion.

You got, like, a mere 80 or so years on this planet. You wanna be logical? That's your business.

Life is three-sixty.

Praying to the God of logical, well, you are cupping your hands over your eyes. You are seeing maybe ten.

That's fine.

What isn't fine, err... I shouldn't say that. What is at least curious, is for folks with such a myopic sense of what living is about, to try to use their narrow world sense, their definition of how life should be lived, to question those in the other 350.

"Emotion has its place". Heh... Damned straight it does.

It will not stand up to facts? Whatever "facts" are you talking about?

Facts drop like flies. Especially, ESPECIALLY these days.

Hang on to 'em. Yer loss.

I aint buyin'. Emotion is the only real thing out there.


Let me make it simple for you.

What do you think Kerry will offer America that Bush cannot offer America? Simple question....use emotion or logic, your choice.
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« Reply #81 on: October 23, 2004, 12:49:30 AM »
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SS has never had a "lock-box". It has always been raided...

Has there ever been a SS surplus?


Started with the Nixon administration IIRC. The Bush administration is using it to help fund his tax cuts. Another red flag for me.
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« Reply #82 on: October 23, 2004, 12:50:03 AM »
a few less lables
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« Reply #83 on: October 23, 2004, 12:51:01 AM »
So Bush is doing the same thing Clinton has done. What's the issue again?
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« Reply #84 on: October 23, 2004, 12:53:44 AM »
Kerry, unlike Bush, is no (yikes) god. There is no divine anything happening...

However..

Kerry reflects our better angels.
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« Reply #85 on: October 23, 2004, 01:00:17 AM »
well, your gonna be sorry when I post pics from my new camera tomorrow....
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« Reply #86 on: October 23, 2004, 01:00:36 AM »
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So Bush is doing the same thing Clinton has done. What's the issue again?


No he's not. Apples and oranges.
What was the National Debt during Clinton's term?
What is it now under the Bush Administration?
At what rate are we accruing our present debt, daily?
At what point do you say that the Nat'l debt is too large (give me a figure you find unnacceptable)?
Clinton, Gore, nor Kerry would have invaded Iraq like we did under Bush.
Bush has proven to me what type of "leader" he is. I don't agree that his leadership is good for the US.
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« Reply #87 on: October 23, 2004, 01:04:42 AM »
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well, your gonna be sorry when I post pics from my new camera tomorrow....


Hehe, now something of importance!!! Can't wait! :D
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« Reply #88 on: October 23, 2004, 01:04:56 AM »
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No he's not. Apples and oranges.
What was the National Debt during Clinton's term?
What is it now under the Bush Administration?
At what rate are we accruing our present debt, daily?
At what point do you say that the Nat'l debt is too large (give me a figure you find unnacceptable)?
Clinton, Gore, nor Kerry would have invaded Iraq like we did under Bush.
Bush has proven to me what type of "leader" he is. I don't agree that his leadership is good for the US.


christ.

the REPUBLICANS balanced the budget during the Clinton term. Republicans controled the House and Senate...passed the "contract with America" and balanced the budget. Look it up.

Iraq??? That was a good call.

Clinton went to war in Somlia, Bosnia, Serbia.......ALL without UN approval.....and what did it accomplish?

I could SLAY you in this debate if you continue.
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« Reply #89 on: October 23, 2004, 01:08:04 AM »
Nuke.... u aint being true to yerself.

In homey parlance, you are fronting.
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