Think they'll do it?

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Staga
You really haven't learnt anything about recent happenings, for example in N.Y and in Iraq ?

Do you expect a country like Iran to use conventional weapons against US nuclear arsenal?
Of course not or you would be naive; if third world country would attack against US it would use biological and chemical weapons and use different ways to delivere them to US.

Now what I don't understand why pre-emptive strike is acceptable if it's done by US or Israel but if some other country would hit you first you'd scream bloody murder?

btw when was last time Iran attacked against some country? When was last time US did the same?

I was simply pointed out the differences in attacking.

Example....what strategic good would a gass attack on DC or NYC do?  

Answer....nothing except incite fear and anger.

What strategic good would a conventional strike on Nuke facilities in Iran do?  Alot, It is a specific target, not an attempt to kill as many civilians as possible.

I don't buy into the fact that the US supports Israel therfore terrorists need to attack America instead.  Truth be told I beleive with nukes Iran would gladly take the chance to strike Israel and hope for the best.  This is were a preemtive strike BY ISRAEL would be justified.  

Just cause syria or jordan may support Iran does not mean we strike them first, not unless there is a viable reason IE support of terrorism.  

But in the end I'm not trying to justify anything here I asking if YOU beleive they will or will not do it?

EDIT:
Staga are you also saying that you disagree with UN policy.  You mentioned Sudan earlier...If you try and somehow blame the US for that you belong in a mental hospital.  If you think that the US and Israel are the only ones that don't want Iran to have nukes you are just blind.  This has been a UN effort of diplomacy for the last 2 years.  No one here is just gonna attack someone out-right if there is a chance to diplomatically handle this or at least delay it a couple of years.

[Staga]

Tell me how could a country like Iran attack against US strategic targets? You know very well that is's more or less impossible. So what can they do when put between a rock and a hard place?
At least I would use any way I could to retaliate the aggressions; If it means using dirty tricks so be it. I may get hurt but maybe the aggressor would think twice before he commits his actions against me or someone else.

I don't want Iran, or any other country, to get nuclear weapons either but I also don't think a "pre-emptive strike" is the answer to your problems; it would be just another tool for Ajatollahs and other nutbags for rising the islamistic countries against western world and especially against Israel and US.
Of course it looks like that's what you want so maybe you'll get it

You know the sayings "You reap what you sew" and "You've made your bed; Now lie in it".

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Staga
Tell me how could a country like Iran attack against US strategic targets? You know very well that is's more or less impossible. So what can they do when put between a rock and a hard place?
At least I would use any way I could to retaliate the aggressions; If it means using dirty tricks so be it. I may get hurt but maybe the aggressor would think twice before he commits his actions against me or someone else.

I don't want Iran, or any other country, to get nuclear weapons either but I also don't think a "pre-emptive strike" is the answer to your problems; it would be just another tool for Ajatollahs and other nutbags for rising the islamistic countries against western world and especially against Israel and US.
Of course it looks like that's what you want so maybe you'll get it

You know the sayings "You reap what you sew" and "You've made your bed; Now lie in it".

well that was at least a better answer.  And you make a point but what happens after deplomacy fails?  That is what is going on right now.....UN and alot of Euro countrys are pressuring/negotiating w/ Iran trying to get them to stop enriching uranium.  What happes when this fails, is Israel supposed to just sit there and get Nuked?

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by Widewing
...But, I fear Europe lacks the will to participate....

My regards,

Widewing

Just get the French to surrender to the Iranians, then we can call it another liberation!

LOL

[B17Skull12]

bodhi let us not forget.

you=french!


Europe doesn't want to get into this, they had enough of huge wars.  So it will likely be the european superpowers who aregoing to make europe choice.  But isreal could be taking a huge risk if done with nukes.  if done with nukes then isreal will be over ran in weeks by europe and the rest of the world.  It would make for huge unapproval ratings.  IMo it is best to let iran take the first move and go on from there.  And Iran won't move they will just sit and twiddle their thumbs and it will become a stalemate.  Iran doesn't have the will to attack irseal because she no support.

[lada]

Originally posted by Widewing
Consider this: Israel IS a nuclear power. Its missiles can reach far beyond Iran. If Iran develops a nuclear capability (and in keeping with Iran's threat to destroy Israel), I'd expect a pre-emptive nuclear strike by Israel.

Therefore, if we let Iran develop nuclear weapons, we invite the strong possibility of a major nuclear disaster.

So if  i see it correctly, you say, that if one nation nuke other, its ok
but when 2 nations nuke eatch other, you consider it diseaster ?

[lada]

btw can anyone post some links, where Iranian authority claim that they are intersting in destroying israel or any other country ?

[StarOfAfrica2]

Originally posted by lada
btw can anyone post some links, where Iranian authority claim that they are intersting in destroying israel or any other country ?

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20031230.shtml


http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2001/dec_2001/rafsanjani_nuke_threats_141201.htm

If you even have to ask for proof that most Arab countrys would love to see Israel destroyed...........well never mind.  It is supposed to be a CIVIL discussion.

[lada]

according to first link..... ummm i dont know why Israel or US didnt offer any help, but we did and we was there...

Can you post some link by Iranian news agency, where they refuse help from israel ?
http://www.vnitro.cz/hasici/aktualit/2003/tz1231.html

About the nuke.... Yeah ... some Cleric LOL

I guess we can find much more smart cleris all around world....

Any other statement... for example from someone in Goverment  and not retarded cleric ??

however thx for link, interesting reading...


btw that server is located in Florida

[Widewing]

Originally posted by lada
So if  i see it correctly, you say, that if one nation nuke other, its ok
but when 2 nations nuke eatch other, you consider it diseaster ?

Any use of nuclear weapons would be terrible.... Especially for the nation on the receiving end, wouldn't you agree? Therefore, it is essential that the so far useless UN resolve to forcing Iran into giving up its desire for nukes, or.... The major powers will do it anyway and it won't be pretty by any measure.

My regards,

Widewing

[Gunslinger]

Lada can you even try and add to the descussion.  There is no need for any of us to provide specific links to reasons why Iran would want to take out the jewish state.  That has been the goal for ALL muslim countrys for a very long time.  Jewish hatred is what drives them to do the things they do.  It is the main reason that US civilians (IE woman and children) are targeted, because they support a nation that supports Israel.  This isn't even worth talking about to you since all you want to do is fan the flame.

The thread topic is do you think Israel will launch a preemtive strike (conventional or otherwise) against Iran if deplomacy fails to halt their nuke program?  I am not trying to justify either nations actions just curious about if people think Israel would do it even considering they've done it before.

[Staga]

Golly-gee how fearless and triggerhappy people you are; real John Waynes
What are you going to do? Make a pre-emptive attack to Iran and Bomb it? Maybe even a full-scale ground attack?

Just don't cry if some nutbag wants to revenge and blows up the building your family happens to live.

Heh I heard a funny joke... "What happens when westerner goes to an elevator and presses the button?
Elev goes up.
What happens when muslim radical goes to an elevator and presses the button?
Whole building goes down.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Staga
What are you going to do? Make a pre-emptive attack to Iran and Bomb it? Maybe even a full-scale ground attack?

Israel just bought a cubic metric s**tload of bunker busters.  I wonder what they are for?

Continued from Staga
Heh I heard a funny joke... "What happens when westerner goes to an elevator and presses the button?
Elev goes up.
What happens when muslim radical goes to an elevator and presses the button?
Whole building goes down.

Really funny... (silence, broken by an occasional cough, a waitress serving drinks in the far back corner)

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Staga
Golly-gee how fearless and triggerhappy people you are; real John Waynes
What are you going to do? Make a pre-emptive attack to Iran and Bomb it? Maybe even a full-scale ground attack?

Just don't cry if some nutbag wants to revenge and blows up the building your family happens to live.

Heh I heard a funny joke... "What happens when westerner goes to an elevator and presses the button?
Elev goes up.
What happens when muslim radical goes to an elevator and presses the button?
Whole building goes down.

Staga don't you think this is a topic worth discussing.

Facts:
Iran who is ran by radical cleric muslims is hellbent on destroying the jewish state is developing nukes

Israel who's been attacked by acts of terrorism for the last decade fully realizes the threat AND has in the past taken preemtive action against another threat (Sadam)

To me when you are the smallest guy on the block that knows how to scrap you are gonna defend yourself.  Even if that means kickin another guy in the teeth before him and his buddys can jump you.

I don't envision Isreal nuking the entire country....I think they'll use an airstrike and hit the plants/enrichment facilitys and try and set them back a decade or so.

to me it makes sense considering the history of the region.

[Nashwan]

It's past time to quash the Iranian maniacs. But, I fear Europe lacks the will to participate. So, be ready for the USA and Russia to team up to eliminate the threat. Putin has already stated his determination to strike wherever he sees a threat (Iran has been supplying the rebels and terrorists in Chechnya). Likewise, Bush is no shrinking violet on Iran. Add the probability that Bin Ladin is currently in Iran and you have provided two of the world's most powerful nations with substantial motives to deal with Iran in a most violent manner.

There's two reasons no sane US president is going to attack Iran at the moment.

One is oil. Iran is one of the major producers, and there is only just adequate supply at the moment. Attack Iran and oil goes up to $100 a barrel immediately, even more if the Iranians attack other oil facilities in the Gulf (like Iraq's)

Second is the situation in Iraq. If the US attacks Uran, expect the number of attacks in Iraq to go through the roof, and the US death toll with it. Also expect in 2 - 3 years a US pullout from the region, a far more radicalised Iran and Iraq, and far more problems than we have now.

Truth is, there's not much that can be done now to stop Iran aquiring nukes if they want them.