Author Topic: Level Bombing Realism (Read 1269 times)

CavemanJ · « **Reply #30 on:** October 24, 2004, 11:20:15 PM »

Make the drop possible only from the bombadier position... that has potential.

Could the pilot of a -17 release the bombs from the cockpit? What about a lanc's pilot? Or a -24's pilot (this will replace divebombing -17s)? If the pilot couldn't release the bombs, then limit release to the bombadier (or any other position that could release while in flight). That'll stop some of the F3 view abuse going on here.

Flayed1 · « **Reply #31 on:** October 25, 2004, 01:18:21 AM »

I's not low lvl bomb runs that are bad just the dive bombing of lvl bombers and the use of the F3 position to bomb, Come on how many bombers had the ability to jump outside of the plane to see where their target was???

I think making bombing from the F6 position only is a good choice.

About 3 nights ago I sunk 3 cv's lvl bombin in the f6 position of my B26's at 1000ft up and sunk a cruiser with the torps on a flight of JU88's,I landed 2 out of 3 flights of 26's and the JU88's minus a drone or 2. Is this really so hard???

I always use bomb sight to bomb and usually if not always hit target. The only problem I've found with this is if I have a lack of fighter cover right befor I make my drop and I end up with 4 or 5 cons on my 6. But usually my squadmates can keep em off of me long enuf to bomb my target.

I also talked to a B26 bombadier and asked if they ever used dive bombing tactics and he said "no only lvl bombing tactics." So if they only used lvl bombing in b26's then I see no reason Y B17/Lancs should be able to realistically dive bomb. JU87's/88's yes as they were biult to dive bomb.

Seems to me that people just don't put in enuf time learning how to use the F6 position.
So Jackle if you still can't figure out how to use it after all this time I'll be happy to take you to the TA and teach you how to calibrate the bomb sight.

6GunUSMC · « **Reply #32 on:** October 25, 2004, 01:27:26 AM »

If you catch my bombers under 20K you caught me climbing.... and I never dive-bomb unless my planes are completely shot up and calbrating has become impossible.

That being said, bombers are too easy to kill, especially at low alt... I dont dive bomb or like to see others do it... BUT it was done, I think it is a tactic that can reap a lot of success IF the defenders are not doing their job.

Personally I like long high altitude bomb runs... gives me plenty of time to drink beer, watch the map, drink beer, do laundry, drink beer, play with the gf a lil, drink beer...

I wish these guys would learn to level bomb and set up runs like i do, but i am not one of the realism or conformist nazis here that thinks everything must be done just a certain way for it to be ok. Let em have their fun... low altitude bombers are perk points waiting to be landed! Up a FW190A8 or a ME110G2 and put them in the drink! Besides if there are plenty of them down low to shoot at... you won't be climbing up after my arse!

Jackal1 · « **Reply #33 on:** October 25, 2004, 05:17:33 AM »

You know, I`ve never heard the "F3" complaint until the last week and a half or so.
Hmmmmmmmm............. I don`t think I could hit the broadside of a very large barn in F3 view.

bozon · « **Reply #34 on:** October 25, 2004, 07:34:23 AM »

Dive bombing was possible in real life but not without restrictions and complications - such as structural limitations on the diving plane, bombs not clearing the bomb-bay, and bombs spinning out of control and landing way off the target if not dropped properly (that still happens quite a lot, even for modern fighters with GP bombs).

AH is not 100% realizm, but the dive bombing lanc/B17 formations is both non-realistic and an ugly, against-the-general-good-of-the-game tactic.

To the suggestions designed to limit the dive bombing (such as F6 bomb release only) I would add a 1 perk cost for each drone.
This is an extremely low cost that almost any newbie can afford and will encourage players to save their drones - by flying high to make it hard for fighters to reach them and by not flying into the ground.

1 perk per drone still enables you to fly a single bomber for free if you don't have 1 meger point and collecting points in a bomber is extremely easy if you bomb.... STRAT TARGETS!. Bomb cities, towns, factories, HQ - targets with lots of small structures and harvest the perks.

Leave the F3 working. It's purpose is to represent the multi-crew helping with spotting planes.

Bozon

Mak333 · « **Reply #35 on:** October 25, 2004, 07:44:17 AM »

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Originally posted by bozon
1 perk per drone still enables you to fly a single bomber for free if you don't have 1 meger point and collecting points in a bomber is extremely easy if you bomb.... STRAT TARGETS!. Bomb cities, towns, factories, HQ - targets with lots of small structures and harvest the perks.

Leave the F3 working. It's purpose is to represent the multi-crew helping with spotting planes.

Bozon

Negative =) Why should newbies be able to fly formations?? I have already stated this a numerous amount of times in other threads. Perk each extra bomber by 10-20. This way it forces newbies to actually become somewhat experienced in level bombing. Flying the formation should be a privelege - whether one has enough perks. Not a simple right. No one will care about a single perk. Even if you are no good at dive bombing in buffs and take out maybe a couple targets, theres your 2 perks right there. It would never have any effect on the amount of dive bombing or formations.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #36 on:** October 25, 2004, 08:33:44 AM »

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Originally posted by Mak333
Negative =) Why should newbies be able to fly formations??

LOL Why shouldn`t they? You think this is a union job or something?

Mak333 · « **Reply #37 on:** October 25, 2004, 08:47:39 AM »

For most people coming into this community, it is a learning experience. Let them learn first with basics, then progress. What good is a game if you see the limits in the first hour of playing? Maybe 20 perks may be high, but it will keep the formations down. It's a possible solution to fix the excessive dive bombing as well.

Mak333 · « **Reply #38 on:** October 25, 2004, 08:51:02 AM »

And why is the tempest perked? Shouldnt newbies be able to fly that? Same with the 262, just because it's a jet, does that mean newbies shouldnt be able to fly it right away? Im just adding on to those who say perk la7's and such. Think of flying a formation as flying a jet...

When this game first came out, they never had formations did they? I think thats how it should be. You get your free plane just like any other bomber or fighter, then a formation is perked at a small rate. Just because the purpose is to level bomb doesn't mean it should automatically have extra planes added to the plane selection.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #39 on:** October 25, 2004, 09:43:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Mak333
Think of flying a formation as flying a jet...

ROFL Check them meds. I think maybe you have missed a few doses.

Mak333 · « **Reply #40 on:** October 25, 2004, 10:09:30 AM »

bozon · « **Reply #41 on:** October 25, 2004, 12:43:15 PM »

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No one will care about a single perk.

my gut feeling is that you'd suprised.
see what 8 perks did to the F4U-C.

Bozon

6GunUSMC · « **Reply #42 on:** October 25, 2004, 07:08:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Jackal1
LOL Why shouldn`t they? You think this is a union job or something?

LMFAO great comparison!!!