101st:"We were never ordered to search"

[Nash]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I do agree with Elfie on the point that you and some others here search for every single thing that you can possibly try to pin on Bush be they true, untrue or a complete distortion of the facts.
 You all feel they are true not because they are. but simply because you want them to be.

I have seen the same running the other way as well but not to the extent that I've seen it about Bush

Yer just whining at this point.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by rpm
It was on his watch.

Yes / No ?

That STILL does not make HIM to blame

that whole arguement is nothing short of pathetic

If a cop lets a criminal go do you fire the police cheif? After all it happened on "his watch"

Pearl Harbor was bombed by the Japs During Roosevelts watch
Maybe we shoulda gotten rid of him too

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Nash
Yer just whining at this point.

not hardly. just telling it like it is

You however, are still grasping at straws:D

[rpm]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
If a cop lets a criminal go do you fire the police cheif? After all it happened on "his watch".

If the criminal turns out to be a mass murderer, yes.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by rpm
Dred, I was'nt directing toward at you and I apologuise if you thought that I did. I saw the earlier post and think you are one of the more levelheaded that post in here. Of course things change in battle and so do plans. But there are some things that are priorities and have to be taken care of.

We were not fighting difficult enemy. There was no fluctuating front lines. We moved "blitzkreig" fashion and the enemy ran. We are not accustomed to fighting this way. The plan worked great, but the were holes in it. Holes like leaving ammo dumps unguarded. You have to look at the bottom line, you'll find the name George W. Bush there.

And I'll freely admit I don't like Dubya. I have'nt liked him since before he ran for Governor and was with the Texas Rangers organization. He was making excuses back then, too. That's fine when the worst mistake you make only causes your team to lose a ballgame. The stakes are much higher now, and so are the consequences.

I thank you for the compliment
Contrary to what many may beleive. I have no great love for him(bush) either.
I just like and trust Kerry alot less and
I just dont see Kerry as anything near a viable alternative for a number of reasons which I wont go into here

But I just dont always beleive in the "on his watch" arguement on any number of subjects including this one.
If there is blame to be handed out let it go to the military planner who overlooked this or the commander n the feild who didnt have this carried out.
Thats where the blame should go

I just have my doubts as to the whole credibility of this whole story. Too much stinks about it and its far too old a story for a big hubub to be made now

I wish we had some real choices but we dont. we're stuck with these two idiots

I've looked at them all Problem is I dont like any of the third party people either.
So my choice is either vote of one of these two non choices or dont vote at all.

I'm voting not so much for Bush as I am against Kerry.
But Im in a no win and no loose situation.
No matter who wins we loose.
If Bush wins we at least have somene with the gonads to tell the rest of the world to piss off which is something I have been longing for for a long time as I feel we have been kissing the worlds collective prettythang for far too long and have basically have been nothing but spat on for our troubles
even if I dont like alot of the things he stands for and there is alot I dont like he at least stands by his convictions.

If Kerry wns it at least means no Hillary on 08
Given the fact that the Reps really have nobody in the wings to replace Bush should he win a second term. Hillary would have a real shot.
And I HATE her almost as much as the Dems hate Bush.

My apologies if I seemed overly harsh to you in my comments

[Elfie]

Originally posted by rpm
Admit it Elfie, if Kerry had been in charge you would be screaming incompetence. You are just shilling for Bush and refuse to admit a mistake was made on his watch. If terrorists blew up the Statue of Liberty tomorrow you would say it was'nt Bush's fault and try to lay it off on Kerry.

I don't have a political agenda rpm, I am NOT voting for the office of President. I wouldnt be screaming incompetence by ANYONE until I had all the facts, that....is a fundamental difference between you and me.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Nash
Heh....

Just seconds ago I saw the head of the RNC saying this explosives story is garbage.

When asked about the tape that just emerged showing the explosives were there when the troops invaded, he said (in so many words):

 "Yes but you just found out now. So it's wrong for Kerry to have aired an ad when he didn't have the facts at the time".

Yer own guy is now admitting defeat.

I'd love to chat with you more about it, but it seems kinda pointless now doesn't it?

MY own guy?

LOL dont kid yourself. none of the guys are MY guys

He's just spewing rhetoric just like Kerry would and is

[Nash]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
none of the guys are MY guys

Then why are you trying to act as their personal biatch mouthpeice? Are you even getting paid?

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[Toad]

I think he gets the same as the Kerry campaign pays you Nash.

[Nash]

Oh, you must mean the intangible benefit of winning the love and respect of all my peers here .  

[Pongo]

Only the truely despretly brain washed Bush lovers are still debating this one.

The absolute truth. Young americans are being blown up by those explosives every single day.
The weapons inspectors new exaclty where it was and what was in it. There was no reason not to set asside 2000 troops to provide some kind  of shoot first ask questions later security for the 80 identified sites.

All it takes is imagination and honesty.
But there were not enough troops involved in the invasion of Iraq.  Enought to defeat the military but not enough to secure the country.
absolutly fundimentaly the fault of Bush and his neocon pupet masters.

But this was clear way way way before now. Its just fun to watch the brain washed try to lie and wiggle thier way out of the self evident.

[Elfie]

The absolute truth. Young americans are being blown up by those explosives every single day.

You dont know that for a fact, you are assuming. There is no news release yet that clearly defines what happened with those explosives. Widewing posted information on several ammo/weapons caches found buried in the sand. Somehow I doubt that is an isolated case. Explosives that are killing American soldiers can just as easily come from those types of caches. Just be cause I am not jumping on the *bash Bush again* bandwagon does not make me brainwashed, nor does it imply lying on my part.

All we do know is that at one point the explosives were there, and now they arent. We do not know where they are now, nor do we know who took them or when. Even the amount of explosives in those bunkers is now being questioned. The IEAE guys admit that just because the bunkers were sealed does not mean they were foolproof. There was a link to that article.

The more that comes out about this, the more questions seem to be raised.

I agree, the ammo dumps should have been guarded, but that isnt the job of the front line units. Neither is it the responsibility of GWB to plan for that, it's just not his job. That falls on the shoulders of the generals.

[Murdr]

Originally posted by Pongo
The absolute truth. Young americans are being blown up by those explosives every single day.

Hmm, responding to this is almost like trying to dig a quarter out of a fresh cow patty.  There is some value in there, but its pretty much lost in the crap surrounding it.

First of all for the context of the discussion youve put this in.  These are industrial explosives, not ammo, not munitions.  You could concevably construct a multitude of diffrent anti-personel devices with explosives.  However, in the context of the 4th largest stockpile of weapons being contained in a country the size of california, its like beating on a nail with a wrench with a hundred hammers  laying next to you.

The IEDs that are killing americans for the most part are improvised shells and grenades.  God forbid these explosives are in the hands of insurgents that know what to do with them, because these are the kinds of materials you drop buildings with, not leave along side the road.

So on one hand this supports the point of the importance of securing the stock, if it was still there to be secured.  My point is that its either out of technical ignorance, or misleading partisanship to make a claim like that.

[101ABN]

geeze, you all are sitting here bashing bush saying that he didnt plan to secure all these ammo storage points (ASP) and that he dropped the ball... the stolen explosives (the ones in mention) are killing americans everyday... rrraaaahhhh (grap the pitchforks and torches).. what about all the munitions that were left behind by the retreating and desserting Iraqi army.  lets just say that a mech arty division decided to call it quits.... so how many 152mm guns are there at division level.... that could be alot.. now that is alot of ammo just sitting there. artillery shells can be cut and the explosive removed.. of course its not the VXMS1AC super duper boom boom stuff (or whatever they are calling it now) that is missing. {head is hurting}.. second, how many MPs do you all think are out there right now.. numbers wise... i bet you not enough to guard an ASP, run traffic control points, man POW cages, patrol sectors within cities.. we dont have enough soldiers.. yea maybe bush didnt send enough soldiers... heck we dont have alot of soldiers to begin with... heck lets start the draft again. {head is really hurting} do you all believe that everything you read as 100% error free???.... ok, elvis is alive and well in Iowa.

[Eagler]

Bush did not plan well!!!

he did not send over three GI's for each Iraqi man, woman, or child..

but skerry will fix that too..

LOL LOL LOL