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Offline VOR

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« on: October 29, 2004, 10:20:44 PM »
Well, it came a kind of a surprise to me although in retrospect it shouldn't have, especially considering the timing. Once again, I would like to thank Al-Jazeera for being "Johnny on the Spot" with the latest breaking news from the inside track of the underworld of militant Islam. Without them, the Tokyo Rose of sandbox journalism, we would never know the true thoughts and needs of our enemies. They're people too, ya know.

Now, onto a couple of points I found interesting:

1. Osama is looking well and healthy. This is a sharp contrast to the half starved man that was making tapes a couple of years ago. So, we can conclude that he is either no longer living in a cave sustaining himself on rats and sandstone tea, or the tape was made well before it was aired. IMO it is most likely current, although it wouldn't surprise me to discover that he planned this well in advance. Kinda like a reverse Andy Kaufman disappearing act. But, this is highly unlikely.

2. This video, clearly taunting the current administration by sheer virtue of its (i.e. Osama's) existence, couldn't have been timed better. What better way (from hiding) to influence the weak of mind in a nation on the brink of one of the most monumental elections in modern history? Well done, Al-Quaida.

3. Osama more or less promises to leave us alone in exchange for us no longer "threatening Muslim security". The statement to the effect that the voters, not the leaders, hold destiny in their hands was IMO clearly a thinly veiled threat. Hmm.

Conclusions: Osama, wherever he may be, is sending a very clear message to the voting public: "Your president is ineffective (see, I'm still alive), and if you reelect him I will attack you again. If you don't, I might not."

No deal, Mr. Bin Laden. Whatever it is he's looking for, whatever he hopes to gain, it is our duty to deny him. Osama dealt us a terrible, bloody blow a couple of years ago, and heaven help us all if we forget that the threat from these people is very real and will not go away with some political pandering. Whether they're in Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, New York City or the North Pole, and whether they go by the name Al-Quaida, the PLO, Iraqi "insurgents" or Santa's Elves...they must be neutralized by whatever means become necessary. This is going to be a very long, very difficult war..and it's just beginning. In the end, it may or may not be winnable. Some fights are worth fighting, and this is certainly worth the effort. Every ounce of it.

My vote is for President Bush, because he has the courage to make the difficult and unpopular decisions.

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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2004, 10:28:57 PM »
Here is a thought, if they could have set up an operation here, for the election they would have.

They have not(3 more days to go lets hope they don't) therefore Bush must be doing something right.


The message was very badly written, do they not have anyone who can edit english?

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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2004, 10:32:54 PM »
My gut feeling is OBL has become impotent as is evident in his use of the abstract.

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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2004, 10:39:44 PM »
Here's another take, do you think the Bush administration would actually present a captured or killed osama prior to the election?

If osama were dead or in custody I would be pondering where to cast my vote.

Suck on this as you think about the first one.  what if he is in custody and the U.S. covert types put him up to do the video?

I think that people fail to understand human resolve.  The bombing of London and later allied bombings of Germany and Japan did not weaken the resolve of the respective populaces,  they in fact actually strenghtened them.  It could be a clever ploy on the part of the current admin.

I agree VOR, he sure does look well fed.

I think osama is at the Georges V ordering room service.

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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2004, 10:45:01 PM »
I was thinking the same thing and how great of a novel that would make. But that is almost positively fiction - still it would make a neat book.

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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2004, 10:48:37 PM »
Excellent analysis, VOR.  

OBL's message is get out of the Middle East, abandon Israel, keep your infidel ways to yourself (including democracy), quit supporting Arab monarchies, give radical Muslims all the tolerance and respect that they deny the West, and keep buying Arab oil at prices high enough to weaken you.

If OBL got every demand, wonder what the world would be like then?

Now Kerry has OBL's and Michael Moore's endorsements.  Wow.

Interesting take, Storch.  Sort of like the Moon landings done in a Hollywood studio.  What the heck, anything is possible.  Never thought 20 men could take down the World Trade Center and crash into the Pentagon, either.
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2004, 10:49:46 PM »
Storch, that's an interesting theory. It kinda goes along with the one that FDR knew of the impending attack on Pearl Harbor but chose not to prevent it in order to enter the war.

I don't think it's possible, but for the sake of argument let's assume it were true. It would go well beyond a "clever ploy". In fact, it would most likely start another US civil war and destroy our entire nation. It would open up a window of vulnerability to the entire world..and alot of folks out there beyond our shores have an axe to grind with us.

No, I don't think ANY president, no matter how kooky he was or how outrageous his agenda would risk such a thing.

It's fun to think about the possibilities, though.

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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2004, 10:52:41 PM »
You mean he's not at the Georges V?

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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2004, 10:54:03 PM »
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You mean he's not at the Georges V?


Considering his notoriety and wealth, I'm sure he could have gotten a suite at the Waldorf Astoria. :D

He's probably in an average, non-descript looking house in rural Pakistan.

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« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2004, 10:55:19 PM »
Storch
 I do not buy that. To risky it would come out and Bush would be done.

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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2004, 11:10:35 PM »
If you were OBL and masterminding another attack, this videotape obviously could be the preamble.

OBL again attempts to become the teacher instructing his pupils (the United States government and people) that their conduct must change or they will be punished.  

But how to reach these stubborn Americans?  If OBL wants Kerry elected, would he attack before the election?  Presumably he would want to give voters a chance to change the regime.

If OBL attacks before or during the election, would that make the Americans mad enough to keep Bush in power?  Or would it make them timorous enough to retreat and elect Kerry?  

If Bush wins, OBL presumably would want to punish ignorant
unrepentant Americans by attacking something.  For prestige, any future attack must be more dramatic and worse than 9-11.  

If Kerry wins, OBL presumably would give Kerry a chance to weaken American involvement in the Middle East, which ultimately would require abandoning Israel.  In future years, Spain, France, and Russia would be the next logical targets for militant Muslim expansion.

Spain made a Kerry choice.  

OBL would make another grave mistake to think American voters will surrender their votes as the Spanish did.
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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2004, 11:15:32 PM »
I think he released a video cause thats what he can do.


If he could attack he would. Releasing a video before an attack would be idiocy... Everyone will be looking now.

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« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2004, 11:29:20 PM »
You guys are forgetting that OBL taunted Bush in the video.  He said he "reacted to little to late AFTER 9/11"  but what struck me is he wasn't laying the blame soley on bush but America in General.  He said he'd been planning this since the 80's

Also, he mention Kerry in the video and said something to the affect it doesnt matter wich one gets elected.  I didn't see an endorsment for Kerry in the message nor do I agree that it will help either Canidate.

I see it as a terrorist saying with your gazillion dollar economy and your massive military here I am and I'm still saying a big F U even after I caused the worst terrorist attack on your own soil.

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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2004, 11:34:10 PM »
I shouldn't affect any American's vote, if one thinks it is, they have a duty to this country to vote for the person they were leaning to before the video surfaced.

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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2004, 11:38:28 PM »
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Originally posted by TweetyBird
I shouldn't affect any American's vote, if one thinks it is, they have a duty to this country to vote for the person they were leaning to before the video surfaced.


agreed doesnt change a thing.  We all know Bush had to back off on the warpath a little bit in order to get re-elected just like any other president would.  If he does get reuped then I hope he persues this man wi avengance.

If Kerry wins I'd hope for the same thing I said in the last sentence above.  

I would speak out against either man that I thaught was not doing his job to the American people.