What is the biggest threat to the USA?

[DREDIOCK]

Economically China is a threat. OR at least a future threat.
One could look at it that way.

Could also look at it as a potential future customer.

the Person that figures out how to make something the Chineese want to buy is going to make Bill Gates look like a mere peasant

[United]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
the Person that figures out how to make something the Chineese want to buy is going to make Bill Gates look like a mere peasant

I'd disagree with that.  China will do what it has in the past: purchase some items from America, then get their own scientists to duplicate it and sell it much cheaper in their own country.

[Nash]

Originally posted by Torque
group polarization

[TweetyBird]

"Practically infinite" is like being  almost lucky?

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Economically China is a threat. OR at least a future threat.
One could look at it that way.

Could also look at it as a potential future customer.

the Person that figures out how to make something the Chineese want to buy is going to make Bill Gates look like a mere peasant

Why not mention a military threat.  Face it if China wanted to occupy a good portion of the globe it definatly has the manpower to do so.

First they start with Korea....using slave labor and world class ship yards they convert a bunch of super tankers into carriers and troop landing ships.

Europe imediatley starts to apease them giving them recouces and money.  Then the middle east.  

It wouldn't be hard for them to seriously wreak financial havoc in the US.

It may sound far feched but what isn't far feched these days.  I havnt actually checked this fact but I've heard over and over that they have more soldiers in their army than we have bullets in ours.  Technology only goes so far when it comes to numbers and they've closed the technology gap big time in the last 10 to 15 years.

China truely is the sleeping dragon.  I'd hate to be around when it gets poked with a stick.

[rpm]

WalMart

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by rpm
WalMart

I think  you are aiming a little low there RPM.  Walmart is a GLOBAL threat.

I've read about some of there business practices overseas and they are dispicable.  I guess consumers are to blame for wanting such low prices.

[rpm]

Yeah, they raped small town America and moved on to bigger fish. Remember the "Buy American" campaign they pushed in the early days? The commercials of "We saved 67 jobs in Meridian, Miss because we won't buy toasters from China!" Cut prices, force the competetion out of buisness then gradually jack up the price while switching to cheap imports. The only time I shop there is to make them price match cheaper compeditors, which is easy to do. Deeth to WalMart.

[-tronski-]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
Why not mention a military threat.  Face it if China wanted to occupy a good portion of the globe it definatly has the manpower to do so.

First they start with Korea....using slave labor and world class ship yards they convert a bunch of super tankers into carriers and troop landing ships.

Europe imediatley starts to apease them giving them recouces and money.  Then the middle east.  

It wouldn't be hard for them to seriously wreak financial havoc in the US.

It may sound far feched but what isn't far feched these days.  I havnt actually checked this fact but I've heard over and over that they have more soldiers in their army than we have bullets in ours.  Technology only goes so far when it comes to numbers and they've closed the technology gap big time in the last 10 to 15 years.

China truely is the sleeping dragon.  I'd hate to be around when it gets poked with a stick.

I think I read China has one of the highest military budgets in the world, but more so all their newer military systems are maturing and apporaching their prime operational periods, whereas many western powers militaries are reaching block obsolescence.
Thier numbers maybe large but generally large whole scale conscript armies are next to useless in modern warfare, and their ability to supply a massive large scale offensive at length from their supply centres would be an interesting subject.

Whether your actually serious about china being a threat is tempered with your stupid comments about European appeasement, but I see China as a very serious threat (especially if hardliners reign in it's even slight reform) to it's regional neighbours, for even now China's newly aquired backfire bombers can reach our shores unrefuelled, whilst we have no real air superiority aircraft now or in the future (F-35 JSF bah!) and the lead in time for our new Aegis type air warfare destroyers is measured in years.

 Tronsky

[FUNKED1]

DNC & GOP

[Neubob]

Originally posted by GScholz
E: Americans.

I have got to agree with him on this one, gentlemen.

We are own best friend and, at the same time, our own undoing. everything is in our hands, for better or worse. Everything is in our hands, for rational or irrational. Most important of all, everything is in our hands, for our future or for the lack thereof.

I love this country as much as anyone, in fact, having been born elsewhere, I love it even moreso... It is up to us to not allow it to pass into the historybooks, my friends. It is up to us to work for a future where America can live on to benefit more generations to come.

[wrag]

Originally posted by GScholz
No, seriously. Americans.

A military conquest of a nation as big as the USA is a practical impossibility. The only option would be nuclear, and that would be a suicide pact.

The only way the USA can be "defeated" is economically, and that's only going to happen if you Americans allow it. Whether your economy is indeed making an opening for such an "attack" is debatable, but just the fact that it is debatable is worryingly enough.

I disagree!  Big time!  Read Tsun Tzu, in particular the section on espionage and subversion.  Then look more closely at the last 50 years.

Here cause most people don't even know this exists................

     "The direct tactic of war is necessary only on the battlefield, but only the indirect tactic can lead
to a real and lasting victory.

     Subvert anything of value in the enemy's country.  Implicate the emissaries of the major powers
in criminal undertakings; undermine their position and destroy their reputation in other ways as well; and
expose them to the public ridicule of their fellow citizens.

     Do not shun the aid of even the lowest and the most despicable people.  Disrupt the work of
their government with every means you can.

     Spread disunity and dispute among the citizens of the enemy's country.  Turn the young against
the old.  Use every means to destroy their arms, their supplies, and the discipline of the enemy's forces.

     Debase old traditions and accepted gods.  Be generous with promises and rewards to purchase
intelligence and accomplices.  Send out your secret agents in all directions.  Do not skimp with money
or with promises, for they yield a high return."

OK......  The above section was/is required reading for their military/government personal.

Wait you say military so you are refering to an actual invasion right?  OK then I think to a degree we are in agreement.  IMHO we are being defeated as we speak.  

Further,  during the Klinton administration.....

A Naval base that was slated for closer in San Diego CA. was leased/given to the Peoples Republic of China and is now considered Chinese Soil.

A PRC General, who is now a business person?, had a coffee with Bill not too long before this.

There is allot more of such info out there.  No one seems to want to pay attention.  

Moveon.org is financed mainly from/through the communist  party of America?

I've found several people, mainly democrats, get very upset when you point out these FACTS.   I say facts because the Moveon.org's own site contains, or at least did contain, the information.

I posted this fact on this BBS and got a "so what" type of reply.

Kinda sad cause IMHO so many haven't thought this through very well.  They're really convinced, or seem to be, that everything will continue as it is, or even get better.  They don't seem to realize there will be some very big changes in their way of life.  IMHO only after they expierence those changes will they understand.  But by then .... the party will be over.

No I'm not a Republican.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by rpm
Yeah, they raped small town America and moved on to bigger fish. Remember the "Buy American" campaign they pushed in the early days? The commercials of "We saved 67 jobs in Meridian, Miss because we won't buy toasters from China!" Cut prices, force the competetion out of buisness then gradually jack up the price while switching to cheap imports. The only time I shop there is to make them price match cheaper compeditors, which is easy to do. Deeth to WalMart.

That's nothin really....at least compared to some el savador woman who has to work an extra two hours a day for less pay because some buy from wallmart wants 1000 more britney spears t shirts per week for a dollar cheaper!

EDIT:  I belive the "buy american" campaign was before sam walton died.  after that it went all down hill from there.  Home Depot ( a store I love) isnt too far behind them.

[rpm]

Upon deeper reflection I realise that WalMart is not the biggest threat...it's the flu.

[Neubob]

Originally posted by rpm
Upon deeper reflection I realise that WalMart is not the biggest threat...it's the flu.

You can thank Hillary for that one personally.

Who needs private companies producing flu vaccines? My grandfather sure doesn't.