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[DoKGonZo]

Have you read Kerry's entire statement to Congress? I have. It's pretty harsh, but not for the times. One problem is it so often gets quoted out of context or in small sound bites.

Biggest problems I have with Moore's film is (a) I can't trust the media to begin with and both sides are using the media to spin how factual the film is, and (b) the pro-Bush side is so vehement in attacking anyone who even suggests there may be some truth in F911 that it makes any reasonable conversation impossible and more or less makes instant enemies. Oh ... and (c) obviously Moore has an agenda ... art should comment on politics, not try to influence it or be a tool to it.

Virgil, our perspectives are colored by where we were in the 60's and 70's and who we know from that era. As well as where and how we were brought up in general. So I guess, yeah, there's nothing that "can be done for me" - I have a different outlook. I see Kerry and Fonda as having completely different motives. Though I will admit Kerry's motives started to change once he started digging the notariety.

[Eagler]

skerry kerry

he's our man!

if he can't do it, no one can!!!

LOL LOL LOL

[Flit]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
So you see Jane Fonda (who's closest brush with combat was *****-slapping a grip for her coffee not being hot enough) getting in on the anti-war fad as no different than John Kerry (who went there, was decorated, killed for his country, and saw first hand what American soldiers were having to do) coming back and telling congress just what was happening over there?

You see activism aimed at getting US troops out of a deadly war as the same as activism aimed at getting a candidate elected or overthrown?

It's funny in a way ... 30 years ago Moore's films would be hailed as documentaries, and today Nixon would likely be branded a liberal.

 No, I see a man who was still in uniform (albeit Navy Reserves) have negotiations with an enemy of the United States in a time of war without the knowledge or permission of his superior officers.
 That , sir, is aiding and abbeting the enemy, and is punisable by death.
 Now, if can get Kerry to  release All of his military records (sign his "108"), I think you will find that he should be unable to hold public office, according to the Constitution.
 as for any "pardon" that he might have gotten, Carter pardoned the draft dodgers, not a traitor who used the system to purge his record to further his own political ambitions.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

-SW

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Eagler
skerry kerry

he's our man!

if he can't do it, no one can!!!

LOL LOL LOL

I hope Kerry wins just so your embolism bursts.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I hope Kerry wins just so your embolism bursts.

That would be an aneurysm. And embolism is basicly a clot, an aneurysm is a swollen bloodvessel due to a weakened wall.

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
That would be an aneurysm. And embolism is basicly a clot, an aneurysm is a swollen bloodvessel due to a weakened wall.

I stand corrected.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I hope Kerry wins just so your embolism bursts.

my mother passed away from one when she was 51 .... it was in her lungs

but don't fear, I am not going anywhere ...
aneurysm or embolism - thanks for the nice thought though - must be some of that liberal compassion boiling to the surface

LOL LOL LOL

Sw

notice the reflection in the eagle's eye?

[DoKGonZo]

Originally posted by Eagler
...

aneurysm or embolism - thanks for the nice thought though - must be some of that liberal compassion boiling to the surface

...

Who said I was either a liberal or compasionate?

I don't like being told who or what I should believe in. I don't like my home state being ragged on because someone from there happens to be running for President. And I don't like having sweepingly generalized labels applied to me because I happen to lean one way or the other on one or two specific issues.

So, kindly Bite Me (tm), Gerbiler.

OK ... 2.1 is downloaded ... bye.

[Pongo]

Im not to sure what Kerry was supposed to have said that was a lie? Did he describe war crimes commited by the US? What exaclty did he say that gets Vietnam Vets so worked up?

[Eagler]

Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Who said I was either a liberal or compasionate?

I don't like being told who or what I should believe in. I don't like my home state being ragged on because someone from there happens to be running for President. And I don't like having sweepingly generalized labels applied to me because I happen to lean one way or the other on one or two specific issues.

So, kindly Bite Me (tm), Gerbiler.

OK ... 2.1 is downloaded ... bye.

I'll just call you "confused"

now go give skerry a great big kiss from all of us

LOL LOL LOL

pongo
skerry is one BIG LIE - from his bs 4 month "war hero" tour(the burnt rock bands that sing his praises toured longer than that), through his 20 years in congress through this campaign - the man is a bag of hot air, doublespeak, 20/20 hindsight crap - but dorkboy loves him  -  did u know skerry is from his home state??

LOL LOL LOL

[TheDudeDVant]

I find it incredible that some folk here have more concern about America winning or loosing Vietnam rather than the reasoning behind us being there. Vietnam was a lie then just like it is a lie now. I hate to break it to you guys, but all those 60,000 some odd americans that died in the jungles of Vietnam did so for no reason other than the self glorification of our nation's leaders at the time..

Bruce said it well himself:

I had a brother at Khe Sahn fighting off the Viet Cong
They're still there, he's all gone

Prime example is all the A4 skyhawks shot down over some of the most heavy AA fire the world has ever known. And they died for what? A bridge that would be rebuilt in a weeks time? Vietnam was a waste of human ability..

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Pongo
Im not to sure what Kerry was supposed to have said that was a lie? Did he describe war crimes commited by the US? What exaclty did he say that gets Vietnam Vets so worked up?

Try reading the transcripts of his testimony to Congress. Try reading the crap from the "Winter Soldier" B.S. If you don't get it after that, then there's no hope that you will.

Suffice to say that had you served honorably in a war no one wanted and everyone looked down on, and then had some jerk say that U.S. soldiers committed atrocities as a part of their normal every day duties and operations, you'd be just a little pissed off. Especially if he'd been in country 4 months and you'd been there 3 years.

[Flit]

Originally posted by Pongo
Im not to sure what Kerry was supposed to have said that was a lie? Did he describe war crimes commited by the US? What exaclty did he say that gets Vietnam Vets so worked up?

 Read my post above the eagle

[Flit]

Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
I find it incredible that some folk here have more concern about America winning or loosing Vietnam rather than the reasoning behind us being there. Vietnam was a lie then just like it is a lie now. I hate to break it to you guys, but all those 60,000 some odd americans that died in the jungles of Vietnam did so for no reason other than the self glorification of our nation's leaders at the time..  

 It has nothing to do with winning or losing in VN
 It Has to do with negotiating with the enemy  without permission( while still in the Navy).
 It has to do with a purple heart he was rewarded for a self- inflicted wound.
 It has to do with him "throwing his medals" over the White House Fence.
It has to do wiht those medals being "reinstated"
 It has to do with his discharge being "reviewed by a board of officers"
 It has to do with the "cleansing" of his military record.
 All for his own "Glorification"
Do some research, the guys a Friggin traitor.