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Offline doobs

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« on: October 31, 2004, 05:51:37 PM »
don't know if it's been post but here goes;

> NY Post
> TERROR TAKES A STAND
> By RALPH PETERS
>
> October 27, 2004 -- SOLDIERS don't beg. But an old friend of mine who's
> still in uniform came close the other day. He badly wanted me to write
> another column before Election Day stressing that our troops are winning
> in Iraq.
>
> He's an Army veteran of three wars. Now he's working to help Iraq become
> a democratic model for the Middle East. And he's worried.
>
> Not about terrorists or insurgents. He's afraid John Kerry will be
> elected president.
>
> "Kerry's rhetoric is giving the bad guys a thread to hang on," he wrote.
> "They're hoping we lose our nerve. They're more concerned with the U.S.
> elections than with the Iraqi ones."
>
> My pal has been involved in every phase of our Iraq operations — dating
> back to Desert Storm. And he's convinced that the terrorists have risked
> everything to create as much carnage as they can before Nov. 2. Our
> troops are killing them left and right. The terrorists are desperate.
> They can't sustain this tempo of attacks much longer.
>
> But Sen. Kerry insists that we're losing — giving our enemies hope that
> we'll pull out. No matter what else John Kerry may say, the terrorists
> only hear his criticisms of our president and our war.
>
> Let's review what's actually happening in Iraq.
>
> The terrorist stronghold of Fallujah is increasingly isolated. Night
> after night, precision weapons and raids by special-operations forces
> kill international terrorist leaders. Terrified, the local troublemakers
> are trying to play the negotiations card. They know the U.S. Marines are
> coming back. And this time the Leathernecks won't be stopped short.
> Allah's butchers are praying that they can bring down our president
> before terror's citadel falls.
>
> Meanwhile, the Iraqi people have been revolted by the terrorists'
> barbarities. They may not want U.S. troops in their streets forever, but
> they do not want to be ruled by fanatical murderers. Kidnapping aid
> workers and lopping off heads on videotape horrifies decent Muslims. The
> slaughter of 50 unarmed Iraqi recruits did not win hearts and minds.
>
> Every day, Iraqis are more engaged in defending their own country.
> Elections are still on track. The suicide bombings continue, but they
> haven't deterred Iraq's new government. Nor have they been able to stop
> the Coalition and Iraq's expanding forces from cleaning out one
> terrorist rat's nest after another.
>
> Muqtada al-Sadr is quiet as a mouse. Najaf is being rebuilt. Two-thirds
> of Iraq's provinces are quiet. We never see any headlines about our
> Kurdish allies in northern Iraq — because they're building a successful
> modern society in the Middle East. Good-news stories aren't welcome in
> our undeniably pro-Democratic media.
>
> Even the French are uncharacteristically subdued. The serpents of the
> Seine thought they'd seduced the terrorists with a few anti-American
> apples. Instead, they've found that they can't even free two kidnapped
> French journalists.
>
> After their own recent terrorist debacle, the Russians repented their
> criticism of the Bush administration. The Spanish, too, discovered that
> appeasement doesn't work any better for them than for the French — an
> Islamist plot to blow up justice-ministry buildings was recently
> uncovered. And there's more to come.
>
> Terror's appetite is only whetted by weakness.
>
> Of course, the United Nations is still doing everything it can to
> undercut President Bush. Embarrassed by Oil-for-Food corruption
> revelations, the U.N. would like to get back to the good old days of the
> Clinton administration, which winked at outright U.N. criminality.
>
> The terrorists are pulling out all the stops to shed blood in Iraq this
> week. While the media makes every mortar round sound like the end of the
> world, the encouraging news is that the terrorists haven't been able to
> do more. They can harass convoys and murder civilians — but they haven't
> budged our troops or the new Iraqi government.
>
> Of course, the terrorists aren't suddenly going to quit if President
> Bush wins at the polls — but his re-election would be a terrible
> psychological blow to them. They know how high the stakes are in Iraq.
>
> The struggle isn't just about the fate of one country, but about the
> future of the entire Middle East. If freedom and the rule of law get
> even a 51 percent victory in Iraq, it's the beginning of the end for the
> terrori       stsandtheviciousregimesthatbr edthem.
>
> Al Qaeda and its affiliates are rapidly using up the human capital
> they've accumulated over decades. The casualties in Iraq are
> overwhelmingly on the terrorist side. Extremist leaders have paid a
> particularly heavy price. But they won't stop fighting because they
> can't. The terrorists have to win in Iraq. They have to defeat America.
>
> The astonishing thing is that so many of our fellow Americans don't get
> it. The terrorists aren't committing their shrinking reserves because
> the outcome's a trivial matter. They recognize the magnitude of what
> we're helping the Iraqi people achieve.
>
> This is the big one. The fate of a civilization hangs in the balance.
> And all we hear from one presidential contender is that it's the "wrong
> war, at the wrong time."
>
> It is. For the terrorists.
>
> Ralph Peters is the author of "Beyond Baghdad: Postmodern War and Peace."
>
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2004, 05:53:49 PM »
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But Sen. Kerry insists that we're losing — giving our enemies hope that we'll pull out. No matter what else John Kerry may say, the terrorists only hear his criticisms of our president and our war.


Hmmm......now were have I heard this before?????

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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2004, 06:03:06 PM »
This story has clearly not been fabricated by the New York Times or CBS, therefore it is unreliable and cannot be trusted. I dismiss it out of hand.

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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2004, 06:22:14 PM »
I will be so frikkin' glad when this election is over already.

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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2004, 11:46:25 PM »
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Al Qaeda and its affiliates are rapidly using up the human capital
> they've accumulated over decades. The casualties in Iraq are
> overwhelmingly on the terrorist side.


You dont win this kind of war that way.  You have to win the support of the civilian population and show (1) that they will be protected, and (2) that our (democratic) way of life is better.

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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2004, 11:53:42 PM »
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Originally posted by SunTracker
You dont win this kind of war that way.  You have to win the support of the civilian population and show (1) that they will be protected, and (2) that our (democratic) way of life is better.


We are doing that, we have been all along, and it is working.

Don't kid yourself, killing the scumbags works well. Especially killing them in large numbers.

So long as you don't have scum at home like Kerry, Fonda, Rather, Cronkite, and Moore giving the enemy aid and comfort, winning is a very attainable goal.
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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2004, 12:03:04 AM »
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
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So long as you don't have scum at home like Kerry, Fonda, Rather, Cronkite, and Moore giving the enemy aid and comfort, winning is a very attainable goal.


So I guess you mean that our (Republican) way of life is better?

Seriously, espousing the spreading of freedom and then suggesting that some voices shouldn't be allowed to be heard kind of defies logic.

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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2004, 01:42:19 AM »
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Don't kid yourself, killing the scumbags works well. Especially killing them in large numbers.


It doesn't win wars alone.  I cite Vietnam, and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan as examples.  

If you don't have the support of the indigenous people, you can't win.  The U.S. takeover of Afghanistan went very well because we had a large amount of support from Afghanis.

But now the Iraqi people are scared of retribution from the insurgents.  They will be afraid to help the Americans or Iraqi government.

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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2004, 03:53:23 AM »
The problem is that neither the puppet regime in Baghdad nor in Kabul are respected by the people of Iraq/Afghanistan.

If Allawi or Karsai dare to leave their capital cities without being heavily guarded they would be killed.

Today the vice governor of Baghdad, Mr. Hassan Kamal Abdel Fattah, was killed with four of his bodyguards.

Both countries - Afghanistan and Iraq have too many political groups, who hate each other and the countries have no real charismatic leader who could unite the people.
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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2004, 05:09:49 AM »
Spend some time reading this blog. There are many like them that originate from Iraq.

The reported situation in Iraq is only a small piece of what is going on there. Granted, there is violence of an extreme nature there, but the vast majority of the country is putting itself to rights.

It's unfortunate that most people rely on the major outlets for their information. Most people don't realise the overwhelming victory of the Iraqi people and what it means to the entire region.

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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2004, 07:32:19 AM »
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
So I guess you mean that our (Republican) way of life is better?

Seriously, espousing the spreading of freedom and then suggesting that some voices shouldn't be allowed to be heard kind of defies logic.


Did I say that? No, I did not.

I did not say anyone should not be heard.

On the other hand, I think there should be serious consequences for doing some of the crap that was done.

Rather should be getting hammered by the FCC and the FEC for knowingly reporting forged documents as valid and factual.

Fonda should have been jailed for treason for going to North Vietnam.

Kerry should have been court martialed, dishonorably discharged, and jailed, for meeting with the North Vietnamese in Paris during the war.

Moore and Cronkite are just idiots who should be ignored.
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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2004, 09:00:20 AM »
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Did I say that? No, I did not.

I did not say anyone should not be heard.

On the other hand, I think there should be serious consequences for doing some of the crap that was done.

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You said: "So long as you don't have scum at home like Kerry, Fonda, Rather, Cronkite, and Moore giving the enemy aid and comfort, winning is a very attainable goal."

Sure sounds like you want to stop them BEFORE they give aid, not punish them after the fact. After all, once their statements are on the record, the enemy can use them, right?

Comparing Fonda with Kerry isn't really fair. Nor is comparing Moore with Rather/Cronkite. Nor is it fair to compare anti-war activism with political activism. And hey - you forgot damn Geraldo!

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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2004, 09:03:47 AM »
Alas, it appears I have been unfair to whining liberals, at least according to some.

Ain't life a *****?
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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2004, 09:11:00 AM »
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Alas, it appears I have been unfair to whining liberals, at least according to some.

Ain't life a *****?


So you see Jane Fonda (who's closest brush with combat was *****-slapping a grip for her coffee not being hot enough) getting in on the anti-war fad as no different than John Kerry (who went there, was decorated, killed for his country, and saw first hand what American soldiers were having to do) coming back and telling congress just what was happening over there?

You see activism aimed at getting US troops out of a deadly war as the same as activism aimed at getting a candidate elected or overthrown?

It's funny in a way ... 30 years ago Moore's films would be hailed as documentaries, and today Nixon would likely be branded a liberal.

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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2004, 09:37:41 AM »
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So you see Jane Fonda (who's closest brush with combat was *****-slapping a grip for her coffee not being hot enough) getting in on the anti-war fad as no different than John Kerry (who went there, was decorated, killed for his country, and saw first hand what American soldiers were having to do) coming back and telling congress just what was happening over there?

You see activism aimed at getting US troops out of a deadly war as the same as activism aimed at getting a candidate elected or overthrown?

It's funny in a way ... 30 years ago Moore's films would be hailed as documentaries, and today Nixon would likely be branded a liberal.



I see very little difference between Kerry and Fonda. I have a few friends who were in Vietnam, and they say the same.

Like CT, who did three tours, was wounded a lot more than three times, and never put himself in for a single medal.

Like Glenn, who listened to the garbage spewed by Kerry and Fonda from his bed, in a VA hospital, recovering from having his leg removed.

Need I say more? Both spent more time in country than Kerry ever dreamed of, and say he is a LIAR. Their time in combat was not measured in weeks or months, but in years.


I see Jane Fonda posing with an NVA unit on a AAA battery as nothing less than treason.

I see John Kerry meeting in Paris with the North Vietnamese representatives after testifying falsely to Congress as nothing less than treason.

Both were used by the North Vietnamese as propaganda tools.

There is a distinct difference between advocating the end of a war or even the end of involvement in a war, and calling the soldiers of your country, who are and were there, bloodthirsty butchering war criminals. It's pretty cut and dried, and easy to see. But if you can't see it, there's very little anyone can do for you.

Whether or not Moore's vitriol would be hailed as a documentary I suppose depends upon who you ask. There are those who think it is a documentary now. Hell, there are some morons who think he should get a freakin Oscar for that crap.
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